Hahnemann's Advanced Methods

[Irene de Villiers]

Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:

I thought I knew that till it was suggested as a suitable strategy here!

Have a great weekend!
NAmaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Irene de Villiers]

briut1 wrote:

Actually I find LM too slow to heal as well - or too quick to aggravate
if one tries to hurry the LM series - to my great disappointment, since
it is supposed to be such a good deal per the 6th Ed Organon.
I mostly use C potencies on the critical cases which are my "usual" ones
A long-term chronic case where there is less urgency, may benefit more
from LMs - but most of my severe chronic disease cases are modern
drug-induced chronic diseases that move fast to kill.
Today's new case for example is a cat with feline AIDS, much
aggravated as usual by modern drugs like steroids and who knows what all
else, plus toxic recalled food thaty was not on the recall list yet in
Ireland - and he is is unable to take food, liver crashed, and
infections setting in. I'm starting on Nux-v 30C aqueous (matched well
by repping - sx too long to list here, and not relevant to THIS
discussion) - though would have used 12C if the client could get it fast
enough - which they could not.
It's a serious issue that LMs also are not readily available just
anywhere. My client is in Ireland, a blind lady as it happens, and I
must work with what she can get hold of.

Remedy availability is an increasingly problematic issue for my clients,
making LMs especially, pretty much a non option anyway in a critical
fast-moving case. One client in Australia with a slower case and time to
manoeuver, needs Bufo rana for her cat's seizures but it is considered a
controlled and forbidden substance there and that includes being illegal
to import Bufo in potency. She works for the govt in a security area as
does her hubby - and fears losing her security clearance if she gets it
"through the back door". Even symphytum in potency is not allowed there
any more.

I'm seeing more issues daily with unavailability of our remedies - it's
a practicality issue not conducive to optimum homeopathy practise! It's
now a major factor to consider.
SO I don't use LMs much for TWO reasons - they are too slow, and they
are too hard for my clients to source.

Namaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Michele Graham]

Yes, a number of remedies here in Australia legally unavailable. Bit of a joke when homeopathy is considered nothing but placebo.
I buy my remedies from New Zealand & the parcels are opened by customs at least 50% of the time.
Michele.
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[Shannon Nelson]

You chopped the rest of the sentence, without which this fragment
is less meaningful...
Never mind, it (differences and similarities, pros and cons of 4th and
5th/6th ed methods) would only reasonably be conducted as a
*discussion*, where both sides are interested in a fair and careful
comparison. But I don't think that's really the case here, or at least
that's not the way any of the discussions have been going...

If there is anyone here who was *not* trained in 4th ed method but
actually *wants* to know how it would manage various potentially
troublesome situations, ask and we can discuss it. But I frankly doubt
that any of the 5th/6th crowd *would* be interested, and if it's just a
matter of smacking one's forehead in shock and disbelief...
We've all got better things to do...
Best wishes, and back to some useful discussions, I hope!
Shannon

[Shannon Nelson]

I find it amazing--would be amusing if not so alarming--that we are
slighted on the one hand over the "nothing there" school of thought,
and yet this that and the other are "illegal"! Wow, talk about having
it both ways...

Especially when *chemically* there *is* nothing there at even moderate
potencies. I keep wondering, on what grounds is an "energy imprint"
illegal or controllable? When will they start to make photos of them
illegal too?

In what country(s) are you seeing that, and on what bases? (Why would
symphytum be unavailable??)
Shannon

[Irene de Villiers]

Rergarding:
hahnemannian2002 wrote:

What do you mean?
My post is worth at *least* TWO cents ))

I had a specific objection to "giving a dry dose and waiting a month".
That is NO way to practice homeopathy IMO no matter what edition one
follows!
huh?
Whose practise?
Potency was not even part of the discussion:-))
Why do you accuse and judge on an issue that did not arise?

For the record - I am fussy what potency I use for a client - AND what
dilution I use it in, in aqueous form, and how often I use it, and what
remedy it is, etc - it all needs to match the needs of the client.
????
Are you referring to dry dosing which I do not do, or to hydration which
I ensure, as animals tend to forget when really ill?
?????
Are you sure you are answering the right post?
Potency was not mentioned in my post which you quoted.
)
Nor in the post to which I responded.
Stating what would happen to MY cases - is not the same as deriding others.
As for my opinion - I do not mind if you do not like my opinion:-)
It's why we all set our own.
I did exactly that - I said what MY cases would do with that approach.
Why assume there were any?
I do have an opinion. You can agree or not - it's your prerogative. A
judge is someone who enforces their opinion - nobody here does that, so
I found that suggestion most inappropriate.
Was it not you who was being intolerant of my opinion - calling it
something it was not?

NAmaste,
IRene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

[Pauline Ashford]

HI Shannon (I'm from Australia) yes its hard to fathom their reasoning in making some of the substances illegal when avogardos number (scientifically) tells them it is of "no significance" . Its like when my patients travel oversees I always give them paper work for customs stating how the remedies are made and the significance (or lack of it) of the dilutions and avogardos number etc but I still give remedies like Opium and Arsenic abreviated names that dont give the lay person (or the educated) much clue as to the original substance because of the association with the drug or poison reference in the name. Funnily they seems to accept Aconite or Belladonna no worries but Opium, Cannabis or Arsenic are pounced upon (yet if you wanted to poison someone fast!!!!) I think that it is only low potencies of some remedies that are banned here - I know I cant get Ars Alb 3C, 6C, 9C but can get it from 12C on. Mostly I just order them and buy them from NZ and have managed to get most of them thru or just wait till I go over there and carry them back - but you run the risk regarding the alcohol content in the stock remedies.
Regards Pauline
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[Theresa Partington]

If none of my patients would survive the month without communicating with me I think I would change my job. In fact, I suspect the police would become suspicious anyway.
Theresa

Irene wrote
Gal Ben wrote:
today because of the easy way of giving the remedy and make an
appointment in a month or so in order to watch and evaluate the action
of the remedy. >>

If I did that my clients "evaluation" would be very easy:
Dead and (hopefully) buried.
I have no cases that can afford to "just hang out" for a month!

[Shannon Nelson]

Not sure what you mean... "Wait a month" is just fine for most
cases--BUT (at least in the practices I've been familiar with) the pt
is always told that they can and should CALL if any problem or question
arises. Why is this troubling to you? The pacing of high potencies is
such that you really can't tell anything in the first days--a great
reaction may fizzle, and a "no reaction" may turn out to be a terrific
one. You really can't *tell* much before a month (sometimes six
weeks), so if there is no problem (which is usually the case), there
would not be much value in a visit. Which part of this do you have
trouble with?

It is totally relevant to the situation, because of the different
pacings and behaviors of different potencies, or at least the
difference between LM (and possibly C in water, I don't know) and
single high potency doses.

He was making a funny...
You've heard that "wait a month" is standard practice with 4th ed
method.
You've heard that this does *not* mean that the pt is "hung out to dry"
even if they need help before them.
You've heard that this standard wait period (which works just fine for
the "average" case) would NOT be used on a case which needed closer
follow--e.g. if it needs quicker evaluation and perhaps quicker change
of remedy, that will be done--using criteria and response that we 4th
ed (and I guess I should add Kentian) prescribers are *trained* in; and
if the pt simply needs help in understanding what's happening, or (as
sometimes happens) basically needs some "hand holding"--reassurance,
explanation, encouragement, whatever--then that is available too.
Irene, trust me on this--with 18 years as a 4th ed patient (tho only
the first five or so involved very many doses) and 10 as a 4th ed
prescriber (small practice, but enough to have gained a decent feel for
it), I can assure you there is nothing ridiculous in the "standard"
guidelines--and that "wait a month" is put into practice in a way that
*does* make it work for the patient--or else the patient calls us and
*says* that it needs to be changed. In my first years as a pt my 4th
ed prescriber even (e.g. if he asked me to check in and let me know how
things were going) on occasion called *me* to make sure things were
on-track. No appointment, no charge, just a quick check-in to make
sure nothing else was needed *and* that I would in fact call if
something *were* needed.

Believe me, there is nothing ridiculous nor inhumane about it; it works
just fine for the average, non-emergency case. Cases that need special
handling are *given* special handling--even by 4th ed prescribers.

Does that make you feel any better? (Why am I figuring it won't...
:-/ )
Shannon

[Shannon Nelson]

I should add another thing--Irene, the "wait a month" is--precisely and
only-- for non-urgent, *chronic* cases. The cases you are handling are
urgent and acute. If a 4th ed prescriber is managing an urgent acute
case, the frequency of check-in and remedy evaluation will be *as
appropriate to the case*, perhaps measured in hours. All that is
covered in our training... The pace of the case, the pace of the
remedy, the urgency of the situation, the intensity of symptoms--all of
that figures into it, and believe me again, 4th ed prescribers manage
even severe acutes just fine with dry doses, have done so since
Hahnemann's day.

Remember that cholera epidemic, the flu epidemic, the various "events"
we cite to prove homeopathy's power in actual disease? If I'm not
mistaken, probably ALL of those were achieved with dry doses, 4th ed
methodology.
Shannon