Here is a short list of homeopathic organ supports, i.e. proven rx, although can't guarantee they have all been proved without spending a lot of time checking, but at least they might help wean some of you off theoretical and non-homeopathic methods - I guess it comes down to what defines being a homeopath - the list is by no means a complete one and all these rx have the potential to be the required simillimum
Kidney support
solidago
crataegus
viscum album
sarsaparilla
zingiber
formica
apis
berberis
tussilago
cantharis
spiraea ulmaria
heracleum
ceanothus
ginseng
Urinary system support (many of the above but also)
equisetum
sabal
causticum
benzoic acid
erigeron
lycopodium
ocimum
pareira
polygonum
prunus
tilia
verbascum
uterus support
helonias
aletris
thlaspi
murex
origanum
fraxinus
bellis
secale
pyrogen
avena
viburnum
aristolochia
hydrastis
stomach support
condurango
ornithog
robinia
abies
fucous
alfalga
iris
jug
spleen support
ceanothus
kalmia
quercus
urtica
rubia
bellis
carduus
cornus
prostate support
aconite
camphora
cad phos
sabal
barium
magnesiums
digitalis
chimaphilla
pancreas support
senna
nat sulph
lung support
arsencium album
wyethia
liver support
chelidonium
nux vom
carduus
ceanothus
lycopodium
leptandra
taraxicum
podophyllum
mag mur
terebinth
solidago
gall bladder support
kali mur
berberis
chelidonium
lycopodium
dioscerea
china
rectum support
hura
collinsoia
aesculus
lachesis
podophyllum
bones support
symphytum
euphorbium
calc phos
silicea
daphne
drosera
eupatorium
blood (and blood carrying organs) support
cascarilla
calc fluor
hamamelis
phos-ac
equisetum
lobelia
cactus
homeopathic support
go to a good college, sit in with as many homeopaths as possible, study the materia medicas, study as many cases a possible, read the organon again and again and believe in homeopathy
Joy
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organ supports
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: organ supports
Joy Lucas wrote:
Dear Joy,
Thanks for your list. You did not recommend thymus support as is
needed in FIP/pred cases, and by the way the sarcodes ARE proven
remedies too as "organ support".
It's not a new idea - Organ support was promoted by Constantine Hering
back in the 1800s. Sarcodes - refer to homeopathic potency of organs or
glands to support said organs/glands, such as by improving absorption of
whatever components of the organ are needed from the nutrition to
enhance the organ function - and a potentized version is found (proven)
appropriate to achieve this. In this case it's to help the Thymus organ
to regenerate - Thymus being prerequisite to having a functional immune
system. And that in turn being prerequisite to healing by simillimum.
The substances of the organ sarcode of a healthy gland are homeopathic
to the organ's healthy needs, to regenerate healthy Thymus. So as long
as thymus regeneration is yor aim then the Thymus sarcode is
appropriate, and a kidney or liver remedy etc, will not help.
So to your list - I'll add a starter Thymus list for Thymus organ
support; maybe you can add to it:
Thymus support.
Thymus 4C.
As Dr Roz was saying - when the organ is not working - the simillimum
can not do so either. In FIP/pred cases, it is the thymus that is not
working. It is actually degenerated usually to less than 10% of original
size, and sometimes is hard to find at all!
By the way - "Thymus" is not an organ mentioned in any of my repertory
rubrics. Like most people - homeopathy is not perfect - yet:-)
But we are working on that....
For thymus repair? No.
There is not even a theory to suggest that supporting remedies for one
organ are automatically "potential simillimums" for some other organ
that is practically missing but essential.
If there are other Thymus supports - fine - the only proven herbal/plant
one I know of is a combo of plant sterol and sterolin in a specific 100
to 1 ratio (eg Moducare), and I also use that in all FIP and other TH-2
skewed cases.
Your list was very nice in many other case uses thanks Joy - it just did
not cover the relevant organ we are discussing for this situation.
It's new territory - someone has to walk it - it's not in the
repertories - yet:-)
Namaste,
IRene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Dear Joy,
Thanks for your list. You did not recommend thymus support as is
needed in FIP/pred cases, and by the way the sarcodes ARE proven
remedies too as "organ support".
It's not a new idea - Organ support was promoted by Constantine Hering
back in the 1800s. Sarcodes - refer to homeopathic potency of organs or
glands to support said organs/glands, such as by improving absorption of
whatever components of the organ are needed from the nutrition to
enhance the organ function - and a potentized version is found (proven)
appropriate to achieve this. In this case it's to help the Thymus organ
to regenerate - Thymus being prerequisite to having a functional immune
system. And that in turn being prerequisite to healing by simillimum.
The substances of the organ sarcode of a healthy gland are homeopathic
to the organ's healthy needs, to regenerate healthy Thymus. So as long
as thymus regeneration is yor aim then the Thymus sarcode is
appropriate, and a kidney or liver remedy etc, will not help.
So to your list - I'll add a starter Thymus list for Thymus organ
support; maybe you can add to it:
Thymus support.
Thymus 4C.
As Dr Roz was saying - when the organ is not working - the simillimum
can not do so either. In FIP/pred cases, it is the thymus that is not
working. It is actually degenerated usually to less than 10% of original
size, and sometimes is hard to find at all!
By the way - "Thymus" is not an organ mentioned in any of my repertory
rubrics. Like most people - homeopathy is not perfect - yet:-)
But we are working on that....
For thymus repair? No.
There is not even a theory to suggest that supporting remedies for one
organ are automatically "potential simillimums" for some other organ
that is practically missing but essential.
If there are other Thymus supports - fine - the only proven herbal/plant
one I know of is a combo of plant sterol and sterolin in a specific 100
to 1 ratio (eg Moducare), and I also use that in all FIP and other TH-2
skewed cases.
Your list was very nice in many other case uses thanks Joy - it just did
not cover the relevant organ we are discussing for this situation.
It's new territory - someone has to walk it - it's not in the
repertories - yet:-)
Namaste,
IRene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Re: organ supports
so please supply the proving data for Pred and Thymus as it will be a relief to see your sx similarity and where is it stated that when an organ isn't working the simillimum won't either - bunkum and it is irresponsible to be telling everyone on this list that.
perhaps you would also like to explain your theories about what the simillimum is as it seems to go out side of hahnemannian principles - any rx can be the required simillimum if it matches sx. Joy
http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/provings
perhaps you would also like to explain your theories about what the simillimum is as it seems to go out side of hahnemannian principles - any rx can be the required simillimum if it matches sx. Joy
http://www.joylucashomeopathy.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/provings
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Irene de Villiers
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Re: organ supports
Joy Lucas wrote:
Oh - Please just read the Organon - Hahnemann says it best:-)))
NAmaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
Oh - Please just read the Organon - Hahnemann says it best:-)))
NAmaste,
Irene
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Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: organ supports
Hi Joy,
Since Irene has passed on your question below, here are my thougts:
According to what I was taught, proving data for prednisone (or any
other drug or substance) would include all of the known "side-effects",
e.g. the damaging effects that Irene has noted. We have many remedies
in our materia medica with no more formal proving than this; much of
Boericke (for e.g.) appears to be just that, and "poisoning and
accidental ingestion" *have* been accepted sources of prescribing
information from the beginning. This does not give us the more
delicate, detailed and specific M/E symptoms that can be gotten from
proving in potency (or even by more careful examination of poisonings),
but then neither do Irene's cats.
Best wishes,
Shannon
Since Irene has passed on your question below, here are my thougts:
According to what I was taught, proving data for prednisone (or any
other drug or substance) would include all of the known "side-effects",
e.g. the damaging effects that Irene has noted. We have many remedies
in our materia medica with no more formal proving than this; much of
Boericke (for e.g.) appears to be just that, and "poisoning and
accidental ingestion" *have* been accepted sources of prescribing
information from the beginning. This does not give us the more
delicate, detailed and specific M/E symptoms that can be gotten from
proving in potency (or even by more careful examination of poisonings),
but then neither do Irene's cats.
Best wishes,
Shannon
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Rosemary C Hyde PhD
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Re: organ supports
Thanks Joy -- nice overview of remedy affinities. I'd like to add to
Irene's observation that the thymus is notably absent from our literature
and repertories that the adrenals seem similarly unappreciated. Joy (or
anybody), do you know remedies that have a particular affinity to either the
thymus or the adrenals?
Thanks.
Rosemary
Irene's observation that the thymus is notably absent from our literature
and repertories that the adrenals seem similarly unappreciated. Joy (or
anybody), do you know remedies that have a particular affinity to either the
thymus or the adrenals?
Thanks.
Rosemary
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: organ supports
Hi Rosemary,
I also have looked in the past for adrenal-related remedies, and what I
wound up using as a start, were the rubrics "Kidneys, Addison's
disease": abel, adren, ant-c, apom, aq-mar, arg-n, ars, ars-i, bac,
bell, calc, calc-ar, calc-i, calc-p, carb-v, caust, chin, cortiso,
cupr, ferr, ferr-i, hydr-ac, iod, kali-ar, kali-c, kreos, lyc, mang,
med, nat-m, nat-s, nit-ac, ol-j, petr, phos, pic-ac, psor, sarcol-ac,
sec, sep, sil, spig, sulph, supren-cort, ther, thuj, tub, vanad.
Best,
Shannon
I also have looked in the past for adrenal-related remedies, and what I
wound up using as a start, were the rubrics "Kidneys, Addison's
disease": abel, adren, ant-c, apom, aq-mar, arg-n, ars, ars-i, bac,
bell, calc, calc-ar, calc-i, calc-p, carb-v, caust, chin, cortiso,
cupr, ferr, ferr-i, hydr-ac, iod, kali-ar, kali-c, kreos, lyc, mang,
med, nat-m, nat-s, nit-ac, ol-j, petr, phos, pic-ac, psor, sarcol-ac,
sec, sep, sil, spig, sulph, supren-cort, ther, thuj, tub, vanad.
Best,
Shannon
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Theresa Partington
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Re: organ supports
Shannon listed following as possible adrenal supports:
"Kidneys, Addison's
disease": abel, adren, ant-c, apom, aq-mar, arg-n, ars, ars-i, bac,
bell, calc, calc-ar, calc-i, calc-p, carb-v, caust, chin, cortiso,
cupr, ferr, ferr-i, hydr-ac, iod, kali-ar, kali-c, kreos, lyc, mang,
med, nat-m, nat-s, nit-ac, ol-j, petr, phos, pic-ac, psor, sarcol-ac,
sec, sep, sil, spig, sulph, supren-cort, ther, thuj, tub, vanad.
Best,
Shannon
hello Shannon
Was this a cut-and-paste? If so it is cortiso mentioned rather than cortico? If it was cut from a repertory using only proved remedies isn’t it relevant to the discussion that cortiso is here? What applies to one gland might apply to others you would have thought.
Also, if anyone is going to order Thymus, make sure you ask for the gland or you might end up with Thyme on your hands, so to speak. I did that once.
theresa
"Kidneys, Addison's
disease": abel, adren, ant-c, apom, aq-mar, arg-n, ars, ars-i, bac,
bell, calc, calc-ar, calc-i, calc-p, carb-v, caust, chin, cortiso,
cupr, ferr, ferr-i, hydr-ac, iod, kali-ar, kali-c, kreos, lyc, mang,
med, nat-m, nat-s, nit-ac, ol-j, petr, phos, pic-ac, psor, sarcol-ac,
sec, sep, sil, spig, sulph, supren-cort, ther, thuj, tub, vanad.
Best,
Shannon
hello Shannon
Was this a cut-and-paste? If so it is cortiso mentioned rather than cortico? If it was cut from a repertory using only proved remedies isn’t it relevant to the discussion that cortiso is here? What applies to one gland might apply to others you would have thought.
Also, if anyone is going to order Thymus, make sure you ask for the gland or you might end up with Thyme on your hands, so to speak. I did that once.
theresa
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Simon King LCPH MARH
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Re: organ supports
especially from Ainsworths!
(A Px got kali-hypophos from them instead of KP once )
Simon
(A Px got kali-hypophos from them instead of KP once )
Simon
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: organ supports
Hi Theresa,
It does indeed say cortiso, tho I would certainly think cortico belongs
there too. I'm not all that solid on the physiology etc., but would
cortisone be one specific member of the corticosteroid group?
Shannon
It does indeed say cortiso, tho I would certainly think cortico belongs
there too. I'm not all that solid on the physiology etc., but would
cortisone be one specific member of the corticosteroid group?
Shannon