anyone notice change in eye color in patients?

[rigleyman]

I've been curious whether eye color can change in a patient and if it
associated with health or changes in health? I had always thought that eye color
was genetically linked but these days - my concept of "genetic" is vastly
different than before I knew about homeopathy.
I'm not talking about damage - ie a spot in the eye - but the blue, brown,
shades of brown.
Any thoughts.
Judy Asarkof
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[Sheri Nakken]

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color

Hi Judy
i've come to understand that there is only brown and blue and many with
brown eyes are only brown because of toxicity.
If you look around the outside of the iris you can see a bluish tint in
those who really should have blue eyes.

So I would say if their eyes change from brown to blue that is a good sign
- getting rid of toxicity
But if they change from blue to green or brown that is the wrong direction.

What have you seen?
Sheri
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[DCR]

I have some experience with this but my comments are 'off topic' to this list. Please contact me directly.
Donna
rona@consultant.com

[Rosemary C. Hyde, Ph.D.]

Dear Sheri,

I'm just curious about what ever happened to the classic genetic
transmission of eye color according to Mendelian genetics?? I know there
have been some elaborations on the simple concept of dominant and recessive
genes as we gain knowledge of the human genome, but I thought that eye color
was still part of one's genetic heritage, and I know that there is a huge
percentage of humans all over the earth who have never had blue eyes in
their background and who would never expect their eyes to turn blue, even in
the best state of health. As far as I know there are not miasmatic or
disease connections to one's genetically determined eye color.

Sheri, do you have examples of people whose eye color has changed from blue
to brown or vice versa as a manifestation of disease? (I'm curious).

Rosemary

[Sheri Nakken]

At 04:51 PM 1/10/2007 -0500, you wrote:
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color
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Its taught in a system I am studying to analyze & balance body chemistry
RBTI
I don't know that there is anything online, but just pointed out to me when
I met with my teacher for that last month.
He said that my eyes were brown now, but had been/should have stayed blue.
Dad's eyes are blue and mom's eyes are hazel.

I have no proof, just something taught in this system.

He's my partner's page on RBTI
http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/rbtiinfo.pdf

I will ask Paul, my teacher if he has seen eyes change

Sheri
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[Tanya Marquette]

sheri,

are you saying that all those people in africa and south america are in
ill health with their brown eyes? are your sure your experiences arent
culturally based?

tanya
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[Sheri Nakken]

At 06:31 PM 1/10/2007 -0500, you wrote:

No I didn't say that.

There are 2 eye colors - brown and blue.
All with brown are not truly brown but can be blue that has turned to brown.
Some with brown are genetically brown.
Some with brown are not.
Sheri
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[Irene de Villiers]

rigleyman@aol.com wrote:

Yes, eye colour can change. But only in limited ways, and the genes do
not change:

A young individual does not necessarily lay down all the pigment right
away and it may take till age 5 or more to get full eye pigmentation.
For example I had blue eyes till I was five by which time they started
to turn green then hazel.
It is the same pigment that makes several colours of eye according
to how it is laid down - so genetically I have hazel eyes - the blue
ones I started with are actually eyes with no pigment to speak of -
which causes them to look blue. There is no blue pigment. As pigment
quantity increases, the colour turns green - then hazel. (More pigment
would make brown).
Some people are born with the pigment all laid down and will start
out hazel if they are genetically hazel. There is a gene mechanism in
eyes whereby the *migration* of melanocytes (pigment holding cells) is
affected in the time it takes to get where it is going, determined by
polygenes.
[Polygenes are multiple small genes which act much like pigment in a
paint pot - the more you inherit - the higher the *intensity* of either
a colour expression of a major gene - or the higher the intensity/speed
of migration of melanocytes. Polygenes affect intensity of many things
determined by more discrete major genes. So major genes determine eye
color - but polygenes determine how intense the color is and how fast it
gets where it is going.]

Later in life, as we age, the pigment fades, and you see the reverse
process. So for example brown will become a paler brown, and hazel may
show more green (from reduction of melanin or phaeomelanin, not from
addition of green - there is no green pigment - it is the way light
works with a specific amount of pigment).
So it is not really a "change of color" and it is definitely not a
change in the genetic coding - it's just a variation in the rate of
laying down pigment when young - or the result of fading pigment when old.

You can see the eye colour effects in cats rather well, where people
manipulate the polygenes by selection. Black, blue and red Persian cats
are selected to have orange eyes. Except for polygenes for
intensity/amount of pigment, the colour is actually the same genetically
as the green eyes of say a Chinchilla persian.
If you cross a green-eye chinchilla and an orange-eye black persian
you get a yellowy-green eye colour in the kittens, due to the mixing of
high quantity and low quantity intensity polygenes, resulting in
"average" pigment expression namely yellow-green.

When they age, the black, red and blue persians will have faded eye
color, but the green eye persians will stay bright green. The reason is
that green involves very little pigment, so no change when it fades -
but orange involves a lot - so orange is more subject to fading with
age. As is brown in people.

[Note: Cat eye colour genetics varies somewhat from human in the major
genes but in the matter of pigment fading and intensity - that is
comparable. Hope the example was useful.]

Namaste,
Irene
(Author of "Cat Genetics - What will the kittens look like?"
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[Irene de Villiers]

Sheri Nakken wrote:

Sorry I disagree!!!
The quantity of pigment laid down in eyes is determined by polygenes,
and will make eyes all sorts of shades, no two people have the same eyes!
The pigment is laid down differently in the center and the outer edge
also according to quantity of polygene inherited. Blue rims is not
abnormal in any way.
It is a polygenetic expression and you'll find that colouring of those
with blue-rim eyes is consistent throughout the body.

Their entire system will have blue undertones and in colour theory they
will be classified either "winter" or "summer" meaning they have a blue
rather than yellow undertone that makes them look attractive in colours
that are also blue undertone (such as apple green rather than lime green
for example) - as opposed to yellow undertone as seen usually in red
heads and many others - who can wear lime successfully as a result, but
look ill in apple green or grey:-)
On the contrary - there is a reason that pigment fades after being laid
down - old age:-)
*Genetically* brown eyes should stay that way, including any grey rim
which is common in brown eyes. Most brown eyed people are blue undertoned:-)
If some pathology made the eyes brown - that will likely not be from
melanin pigment but from blood or other pathological reason - and the
pathology indeed should be addressed.
But pigment is pigment - it is put there, with or without blue rims,
by gene rules and mechanisms:-) IT belongs there whether eyes are blue
(no pigment) or brown (lots of pigment) or any number of in-between
amounts of pigment - as determined by genetics.

NAmaste,
IRene
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
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[Irene de Villiers]

Sheri Nakken wrote:

Eye colour is not about body chemistry, it's about quantity of pigment
determined by genes. It has effects on light reception and reflection in
the eye and whatever is related to that - but not the body chemistry in
any direct way - it is not part of metabolism as is blood, urine, cell
physiology, etc etc.
Pathology - such as blood in the eye - would be a different issue if
that changed the apparent colour of eyes.
Your eyes are what they are supposed to be:-))
If you look at your mom's forebears you will find someone brown-eyed.
They passed down some genes and polygenes your way to make your brown
eyes:-)
If your parents BOTH had blue eyes (zero polygenes for intensity, plus
recessive major genes for blue) then brown eyes would be odd, but what
you describe is normal.

A similar example is in my family:
My parents have the same eye colour as yours. My brother has brown eyes
as does my mom's mother.
We all have the colors we are supposed to have, as that's how the genes
work.

How can you say you "should have" less polygenes for color than you
inherited? By what rule "should you" choose what genes you inherited?
Maybe the person teaching it left out genetics of eye colour in their
training and made an ill-advised assumption somewhere?

Enjoy your eyes, they are gorgeous as are all eyes as they are inherited

NAmaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
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