Before you embarrass yourself further - here is a little about calcarea
that pertained to the case as it was presented.
ailments from working in water - this was an infection from swimming
calc is well known for its application to ear disorders (shouldn't have
to spell that one out)
<< cold raw air
dry mouth
an overwhelmed mental and physical state due to worry, exhausted, low
spirited, hopeless of ever getting well - this places the individual
into a passive state (often)
well known clinical connection between belladonna and calcarea (maybe
in the initial stages of the true acute belladonna might have been a
useful rx)
And as for my piece on delusions of viruses - when we become afflicted
with a virus/infection there are many many recorded cases of delusional
states developing in the duration - who is to say the virus doesn't
bring with it those delusions.
There are many students on this list and throwing out suggestions
without substantial backup is not good practice. Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Pseudomonas - Swimmer's Ear - Need Rubrics
-
Soroush Ebrahimi
- Moderator
- Posts: 4510
- Joined: Thu Feb 07, 2002 11:00 pm
Re: Pseudomonas - Swimmer's Ear - Need Rubrics
Dear Joy
I find your knowledge of MM invaluable.
However, I can find GENERALS - WATER - working in water - agg. Where the
three remedies are Calc, Calc-p and Mag-c
However, I could not find Ailments from working in water.
Pls can you explain more and if there is a reference in MM, pls give it.
--------
I agree with you that finding a remedy should be through careful judicial
investigations to find the 'the guilty' and not acting as a lynching party.
There has to be evidence for the choice.
However, this case presentation was poor. Perhaps we should all have gone
back and said give more facts/symptoms, quality of pain, extensions and
other modalities. But as the patient is/was suffering earache (and perhaps
nothing is worst) I decided to repertorise and make a suggestion. I do not
know how others came to their decisions.
In any case, it is a good learning / teaching case and I look forward to
your comments.
Rgds
Soroush
I find your knowledge of MM invaluable.
However, I can find GENERALS - WATER - working in water - agg. Where the
three remedies are Calc, Calc-p and Mag-c
However, I could not find Ailments from working in water.
Pls can you explain more and if there is a reference in MM, pls give it.
--------
I agree with you that finding a remedy should be through careful judicial
investigations to find the 'the guilty' and not acting as a lynching party.
There has to be evidence for the choice.
However, this case presentation was poor. Perhaps we should all have gone
back and said give more facts/symptoms, quality of pain, extensions and
other modalities. But as the patient is/was suffering earache (and perhaps
nothing is worst) I decided to repertorise and make a suggestion. I do not
know how others came to their decisions.
In any case, it is a good learning / teaching case and I look forward to
your comments.
Rgds
Soroush
Re: Pseudomonas - Swimmer's Ear - Need Rubrics
Just to add to Chris' post - most MM's will include the ailments from
working in water and most reps say 'Water, working in water agg +
ailments from wading in + ailments from working in water' - not too
much difference in my opinion and as Chris says, we 'adapt' (carefully)
but the context of the whole case has to fit. However this sx might be
misleading as we don't know for sure that this is how the infection
took hold, so you can't take this sx alone anyway, you have to build
the case with other sx.
If Carol comes back with more sx and says that the pain in the ear is
described as 'stitching' then it all might lean towards Manganum for
example and this rx can be reserved and quiet whilst they tolerate the
pain. Type of pain, location and extension are so important.
But the fact that the person was described as very gentle really does
suggest the Pulsatilla, Silicea, Calcarea little group and I think it
is also important to suggest that with all the antibiotics it is
possible that either the Puls or Sil could have been repeated as they
both seemed like good choices on the face of it.
Best wishes, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
working in water and most reps say 'Water, working in water agg +
ailments from wading in + ailments from working in water' - not too
much difference in my opinion and as Chris says, we 'adapt' (carefully)
but the context of the whole case has to fit. However this sx might be
misleading as we don't know for sure that this is how the infection
took hold, so you can't take this sx alone anyway, you have to build
the case with other sx.
If Carol comes back with more sx and says that the pain in the ear is
described as 'stitching' then it all might lean towards Manganum for
example and this rx can be reserved and quiet whilst they tolerate the
pain. Type of pain, location and extension are so important.
But the fact that the person was described as very gentle really does
suggest the Pulsatilla, Silicea, Calcarea little group and I think it
is also important to suggest that with all the antibiotics it is
possible that either the Puls or Sil could have been repeated as they
both seemed like good choices on the face of it.
Best wishes, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
-
Shannon Nelson
- Posts: 8848
- Joined: Fri Jun 28, 2002 10:00 pm
Re: Pseudomonas - Swimmer's Ear - Need Rubrics
On Sep 11, 2005, at 7:13 AM, Joy Lucas wrote:
This is an area I sometimes wonder about.
Couldn't it also be that the gentleness etc. is either (a) part of
*chronic* state, which has not (yet) been reached or disrupted by the
(possibly) local (tho not acute at this point) ailment? Or that the
mental/emotional level is simply a healthy one (I don't see anything
inherently pathological about "gentleness", tho of course it *could*
be, if excessive or inappropriate), and the remedy needs to address
only the physical, not the M/E?
Shannon
This is an area I sometimes wonder about.
Couldn't it also be that the gentleness etc. is either (a) part of
*chronic* state, which has not (yet) been reached or disrupted by the
(possibly) local (tho not acute at this point) ailment? Or that the
mental/emotional level is simply a healthy one (I don't see anything
inherently pathological about "gentleness", tho of course it *could*
be, if excessive or inappropriate), and the remedy needs to address
only the physical, not the M/E?
Shannon
-
muthu kumar
- Posts: 1208
- Joined: Mon May 24, 2004 10:00 pm
Re: Pseudomonas - Swimmer's Ear - Need Rubrics
Shannon-
I think she might be Pulsatilla as Dr.Bernat says but not right
now.In this condition I would probably consider more the locals and
physical generals that changed with the condition and then follow
up later on with attitudes, dispositions etc.
And regarding guessing I am not talking about true science or
whatever. By guessing I am not talking about guessing like dowsing.
I am talking about "educated guesses". What does this symptom group
brings to the mind? Not all of us arrive at the same medicine
despite all the repertories, computers and even if we observe the
patient at the same time because we all come from different angles.
We might all agree after discussing - but at the start of the
discussion we suggest different medicines. Someone considers the
disposition as important, someone else the modalities and someone
the miasm...and if we do not have this discussion- each one of us ,
for the same case, would be prescribing different medicines. And
even then we can never be sure of the correctness of the
prescription till the patient reacts. It may be the correct medicine
( for example Puls in this case) but at the wrong time. May be it
would work wonders after a nosode. Even that is not certain, I have
seen time and time again where with all the intellectual burning I
attack the repertories and find the absolute similimum ( from my
angle) which falls flat on face and someone else with the briefest
glance takes one keynote, prescribes and cures.
Homeopathy surprises me all the time with things like that. Even in
this case >> lying on painful side is this > pressure or > warmth (
because cold air is cut out lying on it) or > discharge ( the ear
drains better because lying on it?) We should know this before doing
a rep. search.
Then who knows it might be Psorinum for all we know - ( >
discharges, << wrote:
does
think it
they
the
the
anything
*could*
address
I think she might be Pulsatilla as Dr.Bernat says but not right
now.In this condition I would probably consider more the locals and
physical generals that changed with the condition and then follow
up later on with attitudes, dispositions etc.
And regarding guessing I am not talking about true science or
whatever. By guessing I am not talking about guessing like dowsing.
I am talking about "educated guesses". What does this symptom group
brings to the mind? Not all of us arrive at the same medicine
despite all the repertories, computers and even if we observe the
patient at the same time because we all come from different angles.
We might all agree after discussing - but at the start of the
discussion we suggest different medicines. Someone considers the
disposition as important, someone else the modalities and someone
the miasm...and if we do not have this discussion- each one of us ,
for the same case, would be prescribing different medicines. And
even then we can never be sure of the correctness of the
prescription till the patient reacts. It may be the correct medicine
( for example Puls in this case) but at the wrong time. May be it
would work wonders after a nosode. Even that is not certain, I have
seen time and time again where with all the intellectual burning I
attack the repertories and find the absolute similimum ( from my
angle) which falls flat on face and someone else with the briefest
glance takes one keynote, prescribes and cures.
Homeopathy surprises me all the time with things like that. Even in
this case >> lying on painful side is this > pressure or > warmth (
because cold air is cut out lying on it) or > discharge ( the ear
drains better because lying on it?) We should know this before doing
a rep. search.
Then who knows it might be Psorinum for all we know - ( >
discharges, << wrote:
does
think it
they
the
the
anything
*could*
address
Re: Pseudomonas - Swimmer's Ear - Need Rubrics
Dear Shannon, always be guided by what needs to be cured. During a full
case taking a client will let you know if their 'mildness',
'gentleness', 'lack of complaining' etc has become a no win situation
for them and isn't appropriate to their needs in life. Why else would
such rubrics be in the reps? Also, in this case, if someone is in agony
and yet takes that pain with tranquility and gentleness then that, in
itself, is strange and is part of the case.
It seems to me that unless Carol says otherwise, this person is
generally a really nice person, is on a reasonable level of health,
there is not much that needs curing except for a chronic ear infection
that might well have been suppressed and made chronic by the AB's, so
their inherent gentleness certainly doesn't need to be cured. This is
why it is important to distance someone's healthy stance and
concentrate on how they are reacting to their illness because this then
becomes part of the diseased state and thus needs to be cured.
On the other hand, in her original post Carol stated that this person
was "a very gentle person, tired and weak from constant pain". If this
is what they have become due to the long standing state - a kind of
'giving up and accepting, almost indifference' then one needs to
explore if they are someone who usually feels it is expected of them to
carry this burden of pain without complaining etc.
I know I keep saying this but it comes down to what needs to be cured
and what is part of the diseased picture. Full case taking usually
reveals all. Best wishes, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
case taking a client will let you know if their 'mildness',
'gentleness', 'lack of complaining' etc has become a no win situation
for them and isn't appropriate to their needs in life. Why else would
such rubrics be in the reps? Also, in this case, if someone is in agony
and yet takes that pain with tranquility and gentleness then that, in
itself, is strange and is part of the case.
It seems to me that unless Carol says otherwise, this person is
generally a really nice person, is on a reasonable level of health,
there is not much that needs curing except for a chronic ear infection
that might well have been suppressed and made chronic by the AB's, so
their inherent gentleness certainly doesn't need to be cured. This is
why it is important to distance someone's healthy stance and
concentrate on how they are reacting to their illness because this then
becomes part of the diseased state and thus needs to be cured.
On the other hand, in her original post Carol stated that this person
was "a very gentle person, tired and weak from constant pain". If this
is what they have become due to the long standing state - a kind of
'giving up and accepting, almost indifference' then one needs to
explore if they are someone who usually feels it is expected of them to
carry this burden of pain without complaining etc.
I know I keep saying this but it comes down to what needs to be cured
and what is part of the diseased picture. Full case taking usually
reveals all. Best wishes, Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
-
Shannon Nelson
- Posts: 8848
- Joined: Fri Jun 28, 2002 10:00 pm
Re: Pseudomonas - Swimmer's Ear - Need Rubrics
On Sep 11, 2005, at 1:11 PM, hahnemannian2002 wrote:
I'm assuming it's the "that changed with the condition" that's key. If
her temperament hasn't changed since the problem began, then we could
prescribe a remedy strictly on the basis of whatever's changed in the
physicals and/or generals; unless we take the condition to be
unavoidably part of her (previously existing) chronic state, then we
need to either make sure the remedy does cover the temperament *or*
decide that the temperament is healthy, and the remedy doesn't need to
address M/E level. (And the information as given doesn't tell us which
of these might be the case.) Is that in line with your thinking?
Sure. That's what I meant!
Boy, that's for sure...
Actually, I'm not willing to say that *any* prescribing is any more
than "educated guesses"--tho of course some are more "educated" and
more often successful than others! Thinking back over past
prescribers, the one I had the most rewarding experiences with, would
always caution that we wouldn't *know* whether his choice was right,
until we saw how it worked. I liked that!!!! And the two people I had
the most Godawful frustrating experiences with, both liked to insist
that they were *certain* they'd chosen the right remedy. (And of
course, each had chosen a different remedy.) They each were so
"certain", that they maintained that certainty in the face of month
after month of "nothing much happening", sigh... So now I feel like
heading straight for the hills when someone tries to tell me they
"know" the remedy--you *don't* know, except in retrospect, when you can
see what it *has* done. Okay, that's my rant for the day... So it's
*all* "educated guesses", so far as I can see (after 15+ years as a
patient and ten as a prescriber). We're just aiming to get better and
better at it!
Yeah...
Now doesn't *that* hurt!
)
Oh yeah.
Thanks for all the thoughts!
Cheers,
Shannon
I'm assuming it's the "that changed with the condition" that's key. If
her temperament hasn't changed since the problem began, then we could
prescribe a remedy strictly on the basis of whatever's changed in the
physicals and/or generals; unless we take the condition to be
unavoidably part of her (previously existing) chronic state, then we
need to either make sure the remedy does cover the temperament *or*
decide that the temperament is healthy, and the remedy doesn't need to
address M/E level. (And the information as given doesn't tell us which
of these might be the case.) Is that in line with your thinking?
Sure. That's what I meant!
Boy, that's for sure...
Actually, I'm not willing to say that *any* prescribing is any more
than "educated guesses"--tho of course some are more "educated" and
more often successful than others! Thinking back over past
prescribers, the one I had the most rewarding experiences with, would
always caution that we wouldn't *know* whether his choice was right,
until we saw how it worked. I liked that!!!! And the two people I had
the most Godawful frustrating experiences with, both liked to insist
that they were *certain* they'd chosen the right remedy. (And of
course, each had chosen a different remedy.) They each were so
"certain", that they maintained that certainty in the face of month
after month of "nothing much happening", sigh... So now I feel like
heading straight for the hills when someone tries to tell me they
"know" the remedy--you *don't* know, except in retrospect, when you can
see what it *has* done. Okay, that's my rant for the day... So it's
*all* "educated guesses", so far as I can see (after 15+ years as a
patient and ten as a prescriber). We're just aiming to get better and
better at it!
Yeah...
Now doesn't *that* hurt!
)Oh yeah.
Thanks for all the thoughts!
Cheers,
Shannon
-
Shannon Nelson
- Posts: 8848
- Joined: Fri Jun 28, 2002 10:00 pm
-
muthu kumar
- Posts: 1208
- Joined: Mon May 24, 2004 10:00 pm
Re: Pseudomonas - Swimmer's Ear - Need Rubrics
OK Thanks for telling me how to post suggestions. I presume that I
do not have to explain why I suggested Tuberculinum now- it has been
discussed in another post.
Since students participate in the discussions it will be good to be
a little less condescending to other's postings and not speak in
uppity- clippity tones.
There is a difference between asking "How is Tuberculinum
indicated?" to commenting " How is this guesswork supposed to
help?". I am as much a professional as you are and mutual respect is
what we need to teach students and our junior brethren... I like
most of your postings and respect you for your intellect and
knowledge of homeopathy excepting when the impatience comes thru...
Let us stop embarrasing both of us carrying in this carping vein
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Joy Lucas wrote:
calcarea
swimming
have
low
individual
(maybe
a
afflicted
delusional
doesn't
and I
garbage -
do not have to explain why I suggested Tuberculinum now- it has been
discussed in another post.
Since students participate in the discussions it will be good to be
a little less condescending to other's postings and not speak in
uppity- clippity tones.
There is a difference between asking "How is Tuberculinum
indicated?" to commenting " How is this guesswork supposed to
help?". I am as much a professional as you are and mutual respect is
what we need to teach students and our junior brethren... I like
most of your postings and respect you for your intellect and
knowledge of homeopathy excepting when the impatience comes thru...
Let us stop embarrasing both of us carrying in this carping vein
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, Joy Lucas wrote:
calcarea
swimming
have
low
individual
(maybe
a
afflicted
delusional
doesn't
and I
garbage -
Re: Pseudomonas - Swimmer's Ear - Need Rubrics
This is extraordinary from you since you were the originator of such
strange verbal abuse - this happens on this list from time to time and
one is expected to be 'nice' about it. You'll be you (whoever you are)
and I'll be me. End of my story. Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com
strange verbal abuse - this happens on this list from time to time and
one is expected to be 'nice' about it. You'll be you (whoever you are)
and I'll be me. End of my story. Joy
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.blogspot.com