Need link to Chocolate symptom picture

[snoozybun]

Well, the noise from the Lancet article has prompted someone I know to
take up the challenge of proving a remedy, just to see if an
infinitely dilute substance can affect her. She wants it to be not of
animal origin, so I have been researching and pondering what might be
a good vegetable or mineral remedy to send her. I do not wish to
cause her undue suffering, nor do I want the symptoms produced to be
so general that she could dismiss them as coincidental. I also want
it to be a benign original substance. I cannot remember the symptom
picture of Chocolate, so I do not know if it would fit the parameters.
If someone could direct me to a good synopsis of the remedy, I would
be most grateful.

If anyone as any suggestions for a choice of remedy to prove, I'm all
ears. (Or eyes, actually.)

Alia

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[Rochelle Marsden]

My College notes. Can also send stuff from various MM if you want it.

Rochelle
CHOCOLATE

Connection between Sepia and Phos.

May hold a place between Lyssin and Carc.

Essence - think hedgehog

Emotional level shows a craving for comfort, energy sensual

Rejected lovers

Looks after off spring only because its the right thing to do (i.e. breast feeding) - as soon as old enough rejects them. (Polarity resents kids but protects them

Lots of headaches, has a cardiac stimulatory effect

Circulatory system and hormonal system, before and after menses

Likes the feel of coconut mating (hedgehog spines)

Curls up to keep warm

Doesn't like to be touched.

Gets excited and sees a hedgehog's face

Right side of face tightens

Nose , wet, dripping, cold appears more pointed

Back of neck stiff, feels bristles down back, spine uncomfortable

Tingly in throat but no desire to swallow

Wants to leave home but feels great concern that her children aren't being fed

Feels as if children trapping her

Frightening to expose feelings and tell the plain truth

Doesn't feel right in body

Unsympathetic, doesn't want to cuddle

Wants to roam without possessions

Angry about being in the city, wants to live in the country

Quick thinking

Short bristly hair

Tight chest, breathing difficult

Swallowing solids feels wrong

SAI body is wider

Wants dry motion, hands feel more powerful, puts tips of fingers together

Skin dry and coarse

Vision improved, concentration sharp

Feels as if is in right place but at the wrong time

Strong sense of smell and for deep sounds

Breasts as if filling up with milk - mastitis

Panic of being trapped in > outside

No confidence about doing own thing

No worries, feels still inside,

At night wants to be up, feels cold

Goes off food

Pain in shoulder blades

Anger/ hate at being pregnant

Anaemia

Crunching feeling in head - migraines

[Dale Moss]

Have your friend try Alcoholus 30c. If she's susceptible, she'll have quite
a reaction! (Just make sure she doesn't try driving at night after taking a
single dose. And tell her to keep off ladders and watch carefully where
she's going. Seriously.)

Peace,
Cinnabar

[snoozybun]

Sounds intriguing...might be just the ticket, since there have been
some jocular comments about bartenders actually strengthening the
alcohol by diluting it...it would be most satisfying if she were
susceptible . Do you have a link to the Alcoholus symptom picture?
Alia

In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "DMH" wrote:
have quite
taking a
where

[Jean Doherty]

Chocolate
*********

Chocolate is a new remedy introduced and proved by
Jeremy Sherr.

The remedy was prepared from best quality Belgian dark
chocolate.

If you study carefully the proving of Chocolate, you
will find out its profound effect on emotional sphere.
A deep introversion with ecstatic feelings develop and
the person becomes detached from society and his/her
usual activities. He/she cannot concentrate on usual
activities but becomes sharp internally. He knows
clearly about his emotions. His senses become acute
but dislikes being in company and prefers to be alone.
He is ok in being alone with himself. He may feel love
toward people even much more than before but prefers
to be detached. He doesn't want to be disturbed. This
detachment may appear as emotional coldness towards
loved ones, children but it is not actually a real
internal indifference.

MIND - DELUSIONS - alone, being - world; alone in the
MIND - DELUSIONS - separated - world; from the - he is
separated
MIND - DETACHED
MIND - ESTRANGED - society, from
MIND - FORSAKEN feeling - isolation; sensation of
MIND - INDIFFERENCE - children; towards - mother
towards her children; indifference of
MIND - SENSITIVE - external impressions, to all
MIND - AVERSION - children, to - own; her

Where there is a need for concentration of thinking he
is confused and absentminded. He knows that he is in
an atmosphere different than usual social atmosphere
but wants to hide this difference. This makes the
patient somewhat paranoidal. He thinks that he is
being watched and people are observing his confusion.

MIND - ABSENTMINDED
MIND - CONCENTRATION - difficult - attempting to
concentrate; on - vacant feeling; has a
MIND - CONFUSION of mind - arouse himself, compelled
to
MIND - DELUSIONS - confusion; others will observe her
MIND - FEAR - observed; of her condition being
MIND - MISTAKES; making - speaking, in - words -
misplacing words

Look at the following statement from the proving:

'I feel paranoid that someone will see me and think
'on drugs' and arrest me or cart me off to an
institution'.

MIND - DELUSIONS - persecuted - he is persecuted
MIND - DELUSIONS - pursued; he was
MIND - DELUSIONS - watched, she is being

So in society, Chocolate patients are anxious but when
alone, they feel calm. They prefer to hide away from
the world. They suffer from the process of suppression
and inhibition of their deep feelings developed by
society and civilisation. They are less judgemental
toward themselves and become kinder to themselves.
This is what makes them look somehow selfish.

MIND - COMPANY - aversion to - alone amel.; when
MIND - HIDING - himself
MIND - IRRITABILITY - disturbed, when
MIND - QUIET; wants to be
MIND - TRANQUILLITY

They are philosophical about things but not with a
rigid type of thinking but in a sweet way. They love
the blue sky in a mystical way.

They feel both more present and more distant!

Some general features of Chocolate:

- Activity in alternation with lassitude
- Amelioration by being covered
- Sensation of heat at night
- Aversion to butter and rich food
- Worse from eating chocolate.

If you don't know about the materia medica of
chocolate, you may probably prescribe Pulsatilla,
Hydrogenium, Calcarea carbonica or Natrum muriaticum
for Chocolate cases.
With all the best wishes,

Ardavan
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[CLBernat]

Try Urtica Urens. I've seen some interesting paranoia states develop when
the remedy was taken for a "nettle-like" rash in excessive doses (also the
wrong remedy). One px self prescribed and took the remedy in 30C several times
a day. Within a couple days of this dosing she was creeping around in a full
delusional paranoid state. After stopping the remedy she returned to her
normal state almost immediately. I've seen this happen at least 3 different
self prescribing px's. Odd for a remedy with very few "mentals".
Dr.C.L. Bernat
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[Rosemary C Hyde]

I have heard of people using Nat-m as a proving substance for classes. It's interesting because logically it's such an inert substance (the same idea as chocolate), yet most people respond to it in some way. It's also a commonly used over the counter acute remedy, so becoming acquainted with it can give peope an idea of the remedy's potential uses. Trituration is an excellent way for a group to experience a remedy together -- quite astonishing.

Rosemary

[Dale Moss]

Gee, I don't know if it's available on the web. It is in Paul Herscu's book
on provings, however.

Peace,
Cinnabar

[fee]

Hi,
I'm new to this list, only having joined about a week ago... I've been very rude and haven't introduced myself at all... so I guess I'd better do that first... My name is Fee and I'm a fourth year student of Homoeopathy with the Welsh School, (UK). I've been reading the posts with interest and have already learned loads from you all, thank you.

I'm writing now because of the disscussion re someone wanting to undertake a proving... specifically Choc and also because I had an interesting experience with one of my patients this evening...

I understand that the provers who proved Choc had quite a difficult time and some are still experiencing symptoms. I wouldn't recomend it as an intorduction to provings...

I proved Barn Owl two years ago and this was quite interesting, with some very obviously 'of the remedy' symptoms which didn't last for very long throughout the group. Myself and one other were the only ones to continue having symptoms for over a year, but as she dosen't want it to be of animal origin this isn't a good suggestion...

This evening I had a call from one of my patients who had accidently proved Rhus Tox. She had called me while I was away explaining that she had a stiff neck and shoulder following a little bump the day before. I had suggested that she not take anything but she wanted to have a remedy, in the end I agreed to a Rhus-T 30c. She called me today with an awful throat... hardly able to speak, stiff and aching all over... and with a spot on the shoulder that was stiff that looked like a cold sore... It was the mention of the cold sore that alerted me to the possibility... I asked her what she had done with the Rhus-t and she said that she had taken the one and felt better so she put another one in a glass of water and sipped it throughout the evening!

In concordant there is a list of potential antidotes, in this list is Coff. I suggested that she go and sniff the coffee jar and that if she felt a bit better after that (she is sensitive to coffee so I didn't want her to drink a whole cup for no reason), then she should drink a small cup of it....

She rang me an hour later saying she felt much better... indeed her voice was back to normal!

This woman is very sensitive and I don't suppose that the person who wants to do the proving would have such a dramatic expeirence but Rhus-t has very clear symptoms and a fairly short lasting action, which might be better?

Sorry to butt in.... I had to share this little proving story with someone, particulalry in the wake of all these 'it doesn't work' stories.... I'd like to get Randi whatisname to do a proving!

Fee.
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