Hello all,
The question of stages and degrees is an interesting area of study so
I thought I would comment on the subject. Understanding the 4 stages of
pathology offers insights into the nature the disease and its corresponding
remedies. This includes functional and organic pathological states as well
as stages and degrees of pathology. A function disorder only incudes
changes in the functions of system, organs and tissues. These changes
produce dynamic symptoms but as of yet there is no organic pathology. This
is associated with the earlier stages of pathology.
An pathological state includes organic tissue changes in systems,
organs and tissues. This is considered part of the later stages of disease.
These two major states also have fours stages that included different
degrees. These types complaints cannot be approach in the same manner. The
nature, degree and stage of the disease have relevance to the choice of
remedy (acute, chronic, anti-miasmic, intercurrent, alternation, etc), the
size of the dose (small, medium. large), the delivery system (dry, liquid,
oral, olfaction), the potency system (C or LM), the potency degree (low,
medium, high) and the repetition (single dose, split-dose, timing of the
intervals) The four stages of physical pathology are:
1. Irritation and inflammation
2. Infiltration, induration and swelling
3. Suppuration, scarification, bleeding
4. Ulceration and necrosis
These four stages are found in both acute and chronic diseases. For
example, in the first stage of a acute cold, flu and other infections there
is usually redness, heat, irritation, and inflammation of mucus tissue. In
the second stage the is usually swelling and a clear or white discharge. In
the third stage there is sacrifice of white cells and the production of pus
at the inflammatory barricade with mucus discharges of yellow to yellow
green color sometimes tinged with blood. In the forth stage their is
usually sores and ulceration of the mucus membranes with the discharge of
foul, yellow-green to brownish -to to blackish mucus.
This signs show the stages and degrees of the pathology and come with
corresponding concomitant systemic symptoms. For example, the first stage
may have prodromal chill and malaise then remittent fever and irritability;
the second continuous fever, sweats, weakness, moodiness, etc.; the third
chill, heat, sweat, hectic fever with high spikes, restlessness, etc; and
the fourth with high fever, coldness, depression and collapse. These are
only illustrative ideas of a process rather than fixed examples witnessed
in each and every case.
The same pattern is noted in chronic diseases. They also start with
irritation and inflammation and progress with infiltration and
indurations,that tend to suppurate, bleed and scar and end in ulceration
and necrosis. For example, the diseased blood vessels first become inflamed
and irritated; then thickened and occluded; then hemorrhagic and scared;
then degenerative and necrotic; and THEN .the patient is dead!
The development of the miasms also has four stages and differing
degrees of pathology. These are the prodrome period, the primary symptoms,
the latent states and secondary or tertiary stage..Each of these stages has
unique symptoms that progress from early functional to early pathological
to moderate pathological to advanced pathological states. The road to cure
is the reversal of the advanced pathology to moderate pathology to early
pathology to functional stages to the state of health. This is part of
Hahnemann's direction of cure commonly called "Hering's laws".
The late, great Dr, Dhawlae MD pointed out many years ago that the four
stages of pathology correspond to the four major characteristics of miasms,
psora, sycosis, pseudopsora TB and syphilis. Psora is exemplified by
irritation and inflammation; Sycosis by induration, infiltration, and over
growth; Pseudospora TB by suppuration, scarification, and bleeding; and
syphilis by ulceration and necrosis. The non venereal miasms like psora and
pseudopsora TB involve heat, inflammation, suppuration, bleeding,
scarification, etc., while the venereal diseases like sycosis and syphilis
are more prone to infiltration, induration, swelling, over growth,
degeneration, ulceration and necrosis. This show the different in
infections spread by skin contact the droplets and those passed by sexual
intercourse.
As the miasms progress from 1 to 4 they also tend to include some of the
symptoms of the previous miasms. For example, pseudopsora is an
intensification of some of the symptoms of the psora. Syphilis is an
intensification of some of the symptoms of sycosis. An illustration of this
is that pseduospora starts with inflammation similar to psora but then
moves to quickly to easy suppuration, bleeding and scaring and systemic
syphilis first starts with an over growth called gumma which is similar to
sycosis but it quickly breaks down into necrosis and ulcerations. HIV/AIDS
has all of these symptoms in various degrees and aids in the proliferation
of psora and TB. There are many such relationships.
Chronic remedies and anti-miasmic medicines also have different stages
and degrees of disease that reflect these four areas. Some remedies like
Aconite reflect mostly in the first phase of inflammation and acute
diseases while others like Mercury have all stages in differing degrees but
has very marked ulceration and necrosis. Some remedies are more adapted to
a single physical type of constitution, temperament and miasma. Others suit
several different types of patients due to their broad action over human
constitutions, chronic diseases and complex miasms. Nevertheless, each
remedy has a characteristic pattern in which its own stages, degrees,
adaptability and anti-miasmic actions are predominate.
The four stages of pathology also show up on the psychological level.
This is also a very interesting and gratifying area of study. The four
major stages are:
1. This is the early functional stage. This involves of coping mechanisms,
compensation, and other methods of control used to repress complexes while
maintaining the appearance of normality.
2. This is the late functional and early pathological stages. This involves
the breakdown of coping mechanisms and the temporary or intermittent loss
of control over the complexes.
2. This is the establishment of the full pathological stage with neurotic
states. This is where the complexes are exerting control over the patient.
4. This is the advanced pathological stags with psychotic states. This is
when the complexes have complete control over the patient.
Persons in the first stage are controlling their emotions through
coping mechanisms and compensation. For the most part they appear "normal"
but it is a contrived state in which the persona puts on a good face but
the shadow will react by showing opposite states sooner or later. A person
with repressed anger will speak very softly in an effort to control their
emotions but there is stiff masking of the facial expressions and
corresponding body postures. It is impossible to keep up this front forever
because there is a need for problem solving. There will be moment of
uncharacteristic moods accompanied by "Freudian slips" combined with
automatic actions, rigid body posturing, and obvious inner tensions. The
anger will leak out and others will wonder "what has gotten into them?". It
is not what got into them. It is what is coming out of them. This will be
noticed by those close to the person as they are often part of the
triggering mechanism or a convenient target of the "kicking the dog"
syndrome . This corresponds to the state of inflammation or irritation.
The second states begins when the coping mechanisms begin to break down
and the emotions can not longer be compensated or totally repressed. The
anger will now be expressed and the symbolic powers of the word
association, tone and setting will now begin to take over. Certain
situations will trigger inappropriate actions in which the patient appears
to be overreacting to others. The energy of the undigested archetypes and
the complexes in the personal unconscious begin to activate and take
control of the persona and the mask begins to fall off. At this time the
patient alternates between control and coping and loss of control and
troubling moods. The signs of mood affective disorders like depression and
mood swings begin to show themselves. The patient is obviously trouble but
as of yet they are for the most part still in control of their emotions.
This corresponds to the stage of infiltration or induration.
In the third stage the patient begins to take on neurotic behavior which
is noticed by the patient and those around them. This is when anxiety,
hysterical, obsessive compulsive and hypochondriacal neuroses and paranoid
disorders begin to take shape. The undigested archetypes and complexes in
the personal unconscious now control the action of the patient and the
coping mechanisms no longer work. Mood affective disorders like simple
depression takes on the signs of clinical depression and mood swings become
manic depressive bipolar states. The patient begins to suffer all the
classical symptom of full melancholia. The patient life becomes a drama of
symbolic actions and the power of the undigested archetypes rule that
person's actions. Mood, setting and situations trigger stronger reactions
that the patient cannot control and they begin to avoid certain persons,
places and things. Paranoid disorders with fear and phobias increase. There
may be fits of violence toward self and others and suicidal behavior may be
noted. This is corresponds to the stage of suppuration and scarification.
The fourth stage the patient begins to lose contact with reality and
their delusions, projections and hallucinations are taken as the sole
reality. They no longer see their own behavior as inharmonious and lose
self awareness of their actions. They believe that their actions and
thoughts are rational and the actions of others are irrational and
perverse. At this point, the energy of the undigested archetypes takes the
patient over completely and they act out their complexes on the stage of
the delusions and believe that this is the real world. Now the neurosis
gives way to psychosis and schizophrenia and the patient is considered
truly insane. This corresponds to the stage of ulceration and necrosis.
Many times the concomitant physical symptom will correspond the mental
pathology. The body becomes inflamed, infiltrated, suppurated and necrotic
as the psyche becomes more irritated, indurated, scared and ulcerated. The
systems, organs and tissues become targets for related psychosomatic
disorders and conversions diseases. The psyche and soma become mirror
images and the brain will take on chemical imbalances that affect the
nervous system and endocrine glands. This is very common in mood affective
disorders, neuroses, and paranoid diseases.
In some cases, however, the former physical disorders are transferred
to the psyche and the body will remain relatively normal. This is
occasionally witnessed in psychosis and schizophrenia. The patient may
appear strong and healthy although they are seriously compromised mentally.
Mental diseases that start with organic degenerations often have more
serious physical symptoms than those that start at the level of psychic
then target the body. The physical symptoms that original in the psyche are
often transferred back and forth depending on the situation. There are many
potential manifestations of these states so each situation must be
individualized according to its causes, symptoms and attendant circumstances.
If one analysis the remedy with these four stages in mind it become very
easy to see the layers and strata within the proving symptoms and their
clinical confirmations. Our remedies are extremely multi-faceted and
multi-polar. This includes both the physical and psychological symptoms.
That is why not one single essence or theme can complex cover the entire
Gestalt pattern of a homeopathic remedy. They have phase in which their
symptoms are the opposite of other phases. This makes it impossible to
pigeon hole the remedies into one signal keynote. Trying to categorized
remedies in simple categories like hot or cold is impossible. There are few
remedies that are completely hot or cold. One can call Sulphur a "hot
remedy" but it also is a 3 for lack of vital heat! This multifaceted nature
is true with most of the deep acting chronic remedies. Looking at the
remedies in stages helps to clarify why a remedy is hot at one stage, has
mixed thermals at another, and is cold in the end.
Stages and degrees also explains how to use symptoms that might appear
"healthy" like cheerfulness. In the first stage cheerfulness is often a
coping mechanism to cover up sadness by compensations that are not natural.
When someone is too cheerful bordering on hysterical laughter this is not a
healthy state. One can almost here them crying in the tone of their
laughter! When so-called healthy states are presented are part of persona
mask it is a form of compensation not healthy conditions. Excessive of
normal beneficial emotions are also diseases. Pride is good but the pride
of Platina is pathological because it involves ego-inflation and delusions
of being royal, precious and better than all others.
Stages and degrees also shows one how contradictory symptoms fall into
place. For example, a keynote of Natrum Muriaticum is said to be sadness,
depression, and a closed grief stricken state where the patient is unable
to cry, etc. This, however, only relates to Natrum Muriaticum in the 3rd
stage of mental pathology. In the first stage Natrum Muriaticum is
cheerful, open, romantic, hopeful and cries fairly easily. In the second
stage they suffer mood swings in which they are sometimes cheerful and
sometimes sad and sometimes they laugh and sometimes they cry, etc. In the
third stage they become depressed, emotionally rigid, hopeless, suicidal
and never cry or show much emotion. In the fourth stage their complexes
take over and they act out there undigested archetypes and express their
complexes in a manner that is complete psychotic. These could manifest as
an extreme form of any of the symptoms of the previous stages. They now
become what people call insane because they are completely out of touch
with reality.
This same analysis in stages and degrees can be applied to diseases,
patients and remedies. Nevertheless, one should realize that any system of
analysis can only function relative to the time and circumstances to which
it is applied and has it exceptions. The observer is always part of the
observation and should not think that reality is easily place in neat,
little boxes. I hope this helps elucidate the stages and degrees of illness
as well as the multifaceted nature of our remedies.
Similia Minimus
Sincerely, David Little
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000
Stages of Disease and Remedies 1
Re: Stages of Disease and Remedies 1
Thanks for this explanation.
As a student it makes things a lot clearer.
Best regards Willy
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Van: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Datum: 05/14/05 07:00:48
Aan: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: [Minutus] Stages of Disease and Remedies 1
Hello all,
The question of stages and degrees is an interesting area of study so
I thought I would comment on the subject. Understanding the 4 stages of
pathology offers insights into the nature the disease and its corresponding
remedies. This includes functional and organic pathological states as well
as stages and degrees of pathology. A function disorder only incudes
changes in the functions of system, organs and tissues. These changes
produce dynamic symptoms but as of yet there is no organic pathology. This
is associated with the earlier stages of pathology.
An pathological state includes organic tissue changes in systems,
organs and tissues. This is considered part of the later stages of disease.
These two major states also have fours stages that included different
degrees. These types complaints cannot be approach in the same manner. The
nature, degree and stage of the disease have relevance to the choice of
remedy (acute, chronic, anti-miasmic, intercurrent, alternation, etc), the
size of the dose (small, medium. large), the delivery system (dry, liquid,
oral, olfaction), the potency system (C or LM), the potency degree (low,
medium, high) and the repetition (single dose, split-dose, timing of the
intervals) The four stages of physical pathology are:
1. Irritation and inflammation
2. Infiltration, induration and swelling
3. Suppuration, scarification, bleeding
4. Ulceration and necrosis
These four stages are found in both acute and chronic diseases. For
example, in the first stage of a acute cold, flu and other infections there
is usually redness, heat, irritation, and inflammation of mucus tissue. In
the second stage the is usually swelling and a clear or white discharge. In
the third stage there is sacrifice of white cells and the production of pus
at the inflammatory barricade with mucus discharges of yellow to yellow
green color sometimes tinged with blood. In the forth stage their is
usually sores and ulceration of the mucus membranes with the discharge of
foul, yellow-green to brownish -to to blackish mucus.
This signs show the stages and degrees of the pathology and come with
corresponding concomitant systemic symptoms. For example, the first stage
may have prodromal chill and malaise then remittent fever and irritability;
the second continuous fever, sweats, weakness, moodiness, etc.; the third
chill, heat, sweat, hectic fever with high spikes, restlessness, etc; and
the fourth with high fever, coldness, depression and collapse. These are
only illustrative ideas of a process rather than fixed examples witnessed
in each and every case.
The same pattern is noted in chronic diseases. They also start with
irritation and inflammation and progress with infiltration and
indurations,that tend to suppurate, bleed and scar and end in ulceration
and necrosis. For example, the diseased blood vessels first become inflamed
and irritated; then thickened and occluded; then hemorrhagic and scared;
then degenerative and necrotic; and THEN .the patient is dead!
The development of the miasms also has four stages and differing
degrees of pathology. These are the prodrome period, the primary symptoms,
the latent states and secondary or tertiary stage..Each of these stages has
unique symptoms that progress from early functional to early pathological
to moderate pathological to advanced pathological states. The road to cure
is the reversal of the advanced pathology to moderate pathology to early =0D
pathology to functional stages to the state of health. This is part of
Hahnemann's direction of cure commonly called "Hering's laws".
The late, great Dr, Dhawlae MD pointed out many years ago that the four
stages of pathology correspond to the four major characteristics of miasms,
psora, sycosis, pseudopsora TB and syphilis. Psora is exemplified by
irritation and inflammation; Sycosis by induration, infiltration, and over
growth; Pseudospora TB by suppuration, scarification, and bleeding; and
syphilis by ulceration and necrosis. The non venereal miasms like psora and
pseudopsora TB involve heat, inflammation, suppuration, bleeding,
scarification, etc., while the venereal diseases like sycosis and syphilis
are more prone to infiltration, induration, swelling, over growth,
degeneration, ulceration and necrosis. This show the different in
infections spread by skin contact the droplets and those passed by sexual
intercourse.
As the miasms progress from 1 to 4 they also tend to include some of the
symptoms of the previous miasms. For example, pseudopsora is an
intensification of some of the symptoms of the psora. Syphilis is an
intensification of some of the symptoms of sycosis. An illustration of this
is that pseduospora starts with inflammation similar to psora but then
moves to quickly to easy suppuration, bleeding and scaring and systemic
syphilis first starts with an over growth called gumma which is similar to
sycosis but it quickly breaks down into necrosis and ulcerations. HIV/AIDS
has all of these symptoms in various degrees and aids in the proliferation
of psora and TB. There are many such relationships.
Chronic remedies and anti-miasmic medicines also have different stages
and degrees of disease that reflect these four areas. Some remedies like
Aconite reflect mostly in the first phase of inflammation and acute
diseases while others like Mercury have all stages in differing degrees but
has very marked ulceration and necrosis. Some remedies are more adapted to
a single physical type of constitution, temperament and miasma. Others suit
several different types of patients due to their broad action over human
constitutions, chronic diseases and complex miasms. Nevertheless, each
remedy has a characteristic pattern in which its own stages, degrees,
adaptability and anti-miasmic actions are predominate.
The four stages of pathology also show up on the psychological level.
This is also a very interesting and gratifying area of study. The four
major stages are:
1. This is the early functional stage. This involves of coping mechanisms,
compensation, and other methods of control used to repress complexes while
maintaining the appearance of normality.
2. This is the late functional and early pathological stages. This involves
the breakdown of coping mechanisms and the temporary or intermittent loss
of control over the complexes.
2. This is the establishment of the full pathological stage with neurotic
states. This is where the complexes are exerting control over the patient.
4. This is the advanced pathological stags with psychotic states. This is
when the complexes have complete control over the patient.
Persons in the first stage are controlling their emotions through
coping mechanisms and compensation. For the most part they appear "normal"
but it is a contrived state in which the persona puts on a good face but
the shadow will react by showing opposite states sooner or later. A person
with repressed anger will speak very softly in an effort to control their
emotions but there is stiff masking of the facial expressions and
corresponding body postures. It is impossible to keep up this front forever
because there is a need for problem solving. There will be moment of
uncharacteristic moods accompanied by "Freudian slips" combined with
automatic actions, rigid body posturing, and obvious inner tensions. The
anger will leak out and others will wonder "what has gotten into them?". It
is not what got into them. It is what is coming out of them. This will be
noticed by those close to the person as they are often part of the
triggering mechanism or a convenient target of the "kicking the dog"
syndrome . This corresponds to the state of inflammation or irritation.
The second states begins when the coping mechanisms begin to break down
and the emotions can not longer be compensated or totally repressed. The
anger will now be expressed and the symbolic powers of the word
association, tone and setting will now begin to take over. Certain
situations will trigger inappropriate actions in which the patient appears
to be overreacting to others. The energy of the undigested archetypes and
the complexes in the personal unconscious begin to activate and take
control of the persona and the mask begins to fall off. At this time the
patient alternates between control and coping and loss of control and
troubling moods. The signs of mood affective disorders like depression and
mood swings begin to show themselves. The patient is obviously trouble but
as of yet they are for the most part still in control of their emotions.
This corresponds to the stage of infiltration or induration.
In the third stage the patient begins to take on neurotic behavior which
is noticed by the patient and those around them. This is when anxiety,
hysterical, obsessive compulsive and hypochondriacal neuroses and paranoid
disorders begin to take shape. The undigested archetypes and complexes in
the personal unconscious now control the action of the patient and the
coping mechanisms no longer work. Mood affective disorders like simple
depression takes on the signs of clinical depression and mood swings become
manic depressive bipolar states. The patient begins to suffer all the
classical symptom of full melancholia. The patient life becomes a drama of
symbolic actions and the power of the undigested archetypes rule that
person's actions. Mood, setting and situations trigger stronger reactions
that the patient cannot control and they begin to avoid certain persons,
places and things. Paranoid disorders with fear and phobias increase. There
may be fits of violence toward self and others and suicidal behavior may be
noted. This is corresponds to the stage of suppuration and scarification.
The fourth stage the patient begins to lose contact with reality and
their delusions, projections and hallucinations are taken as the sole
reality. They no longer see their own behavior as inharmonious and lose
self awareness of their actions. They believe that their actions and
thoughts are rational and the actions of others are irrational and
perverse. At this point, the energy of the undigested archetypes takes the
patient over completely and they act out their complexes on the stage of
the delusions and believe that this is the real world. Now the neurosis
gives way to psychosis and schizophrenia and the patient is considered
truly insane. This corresponds to the stage of ulceration and necrosis.
Many times the concomitant physical symptom will correspond the mental
pathology. The body becomes inflamed, infiltrated, suppurated and necrotic
as the psyche becomes more irritated, indurated, scared and ulcerated. The
systems, organs and tissues become targets for related psychosomatic
disorders and conversions diseases. The psyche and soma become mirror
images and the brain will take on chemical imbalances that affect the
nervous system and endocrine glands. This is very common in mood affective
disorders, neuroses, and paranoid diseases.
In some cases, however, the former physical disorders are transferred
to the psyche and the body will remain relatively normal. This is
occasionally witnessed in psychosis and schizophrenia. The patient may
appear strong and healthy although they are seriously compromised mentally.
Mental diseases that start with organic degenerations often have more
serious physical symptoms than those that start at the level of psychic
then target the body. The physical symptoms that original in the psyche are
often transferred back and forth depending on the situation. There are many
potential manifestations of these states so each situation must be
individualized according to its causes, symptoms and attendant circumstances
If one analysis the remedy with these four stages in mind it become very
easy to see the layers and strata within the proving symptoms and their
clinical confirmations. Our remedies are extremely multi-faceted and
multi-polar. This includes both the physical and psychological symptoms.
That is why not one single essence or theme can complex cover the entire
Gestalt pattern of a homeopathic remedy. They have phase in which their
symptoms are the opposite of other phases. This makes it impossible to
pigeon hole the remedies into one signal keynote. Trying to categorized
remedies in simple categories like hot or cold is impossible. There are few
remedies that are completely hot or cold. One can call Sulphur a "hot
remedy" but it also is a 3 for lack of vital heat! This multifaceted nature
is true with most of the deep acting chronic remedies. Looking at the
remedies in stages helps to clarify why a remedy is hot at one stage, has
mixed thermals at another, and is cold in the end.
Stages and degrees also explains how to use symptoms that might appear
"healthy" like cheerfulness. In the first stage cheerfulness is often a
coping mechanism to cover up sadness by compensations that are not natural.
When someone is too cheerful bordering on hysterical laughter this is not a
healthy state. One can almost here them crying in the tone of their
laughter! When so-called healthy states are presented are part of persona
mask it is a form of compensation not healthy conditions. Excessive of
normal beneficial emotions are also diseases. Pride is good but the pride
of Platina is pathological because it involves ego-inflation and delusions
of being royal, precious and better than all others.
Stages and degrees also shows one how contradictory symptoms fall into
place. For example, a keynote of Natrum Muriaticum is said to be sadness,
depression, and a closed grief stricken state where the patient is unable
to cry, etc. This, however, only relates to Natrum Muriaticum in the 3rd
stage of mental pathology. In the first stage Natrum Muriaticum is
cheerful, open, romantic, hopeful and cries fairly easily. In the second
stage they suffer mood swings in which they are sometimes cheerful and
sometimes sad and sometimes they laugh and sometimes they cry, etc. In the
third stage they become depressed, emotionally rigid, hopeless, suicidal
and never cry or show much emotion. In the fourth stage their complexes
take over and they act out there undigested archetypes and express their
complexes in a manner that is complete psychotic. These could manifest as
an extreme form of any of the symptoms of the previous stages. They now
become what people call insane because they are completely out of touch
with reality.
This same analysis in stages and degrees can be applied to diseases,
patients and remedies. Nevertheless, one should realize that any system of
analysis can only function relative to the time and circumstances to which
it is applied and has it exceptions. The observer is always part of the
observation and should not think that reality is easily place in neat,
little boxes. I hope this helps elucidate the stages and degrees of illness
as well as the multifaceted nature of our remedies.
Similia Minimus
Sincerely, David Little
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000
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As a student it makes things a lot clearer.
Best regards Willy
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Van: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Datum: 05/14/05 07:00:48
Aan: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Onderwerp: [Minutus] Stages of Disease and Remedies 1
Hello all,
The question of stages and degrees is an interesting area of study so
I thought I would comment on the subject. Understanding the 4 stages of
pathology offers insights into the nature the disease and its corresponding
remedies. This includes functional and organic pathological states as well
as stages and degrees of pathology. A function disorder only incudes
changes in the functions of system, organs and tissues. These changes
produce dynamic symptoms but as of yet there is no organic pathology. This
is associated with the earlier stages of pathology.
An pathological state includes organic tissue changes in systems,
organs and tissues. This is considered part of the later stages of disease.
These two major states also have fours stages that included different
degrees. These types complaints cannot be approach in the same manner. The
nature, degree and stage of the disease have relevance to the choice of
remedy (acute, chronic, anti-miasmic, intercurrent, alternation, etc), the
size of the dose (small, medium. large), the delivery system (dry, liquid,
oral, olfaction), the potency system (C or LM), the potency degree (low,
medium, high) and the repetition (single dose, split-dose, timing of the
intervals) The four stages of physical pathology are:
1. Irritation and inflammation
2. Infiltration, induration and swelling
3. Suppuration, scarification, bleeding
4. Ulceration and necrosis
These four stages are found in both acute and chronic diseases. For
example, in the first stage of a acute cold, flu and other infections there
is usually redness, heat, irritation, and inflammation of mucus tissue. In
the second stage the is usually swelling and a clear or white discharge. In
the third stage there is sacrifice of white cells and the production of pus
at the inflammatory barricade with mucus discharges of yellow to yellow
green color sometimes tinged with blood. In the forth stage their is
usually sores and ulceration of the mucus membranes with the discharge of
foul, yellow-green to brownish -to to blackish mucus.
This signs show the stages and degrees of the pathology and come with
corresponding concomitant systemic symptoms. For example, the first stage
may have prodromal chill and malaise then remittent fever and irritability;
the second continuous fever, sweats, weakness, moodiness, etc.; the third
chill, heat, sweat, hectic fever with high spikes, restlessness, etc; and
the fourth with high fever, coldness, depression and collapse. These are
only illustrative ideas of a process rather than fixed examples witnessed
in each and every case.
The same pattern is noted in chronic diseases. They also start with
irritation and inflammation and progress with infiltration and
indurations,that tend to suppurate, bleed and scar and end in ulceration
and necrosis. For example, the diseased blood vessels first become inflamed
and irritated; then thickened and occluded; then hemorrhagic and scared;
then degenerative and necrotic; and THEN .the patient is dead!
The development of the miasms also has four stages and differing
degrees of pathology. These are the prodrome period, the primary symptoms,
the latent states and secondary or tertiary stage..Each of these stages has
unique symptoms that progress from early functional to early pathological
to moderate pathological to advanced pathological states. The road to cure
is the reversal of the advanced pathology to moderate pathology to early =0D
pathology to functional stages to the state of health. This is part of
Hahnemann's direction of cure commonly called "Hering's laws".
The late, great Dr, Dhawlae MD pointed out many years ago that the four
stages of pathology correspond to the four major characteristics of miasms,
psora, sycosis, pseudopsora TB and syphilis. Psora is exemplified by
irritation and inflammation; Sycosis by induration, infiltration, and over
growth; Pseudospora TB by suppuration, scarification, and bleeding; and
syphilis by ulceration and necrosis. The non venereal miasms like psora and
pseudopsora TB involve heat, inflammation, suppuration, bleeding,
scarification, etc., while the venereal diseases like sycosis and syphilis
are more prone to infiltration, induration, swelling, over growth,
degeneration, ulceration and necrosis. This show the different in
infections spread by skin contact the droplets and those passed by sexual
intercourse.
As the miasms progress from 1 to 4 they also tend to include some of the
symptoms of the previous miasms. For example, pseudopsora is an
intensification of some of the symptoms of the psora. Syphilis is an
intensification of some of the symptoms of sycosis. An illustration of this
is that pseduospora starts with inflammation similar to psora but then
moves to quickly to easy suppuration, bleeding and scaring and systemic
syphilis first starts with an over growth called gumma which is similar to
sycosis but it quickly breaks down into necrosis and ulcerations. HIV/AIDS
has all of these symptoms in various degrees and aids in the proliferation
of psora and TB. There are many such relationships.
Chronic remedies and anti-miasmic medicines also have different stages
and degrees of disease that reflect these four areas. Some remedies like
Aconite reflect mostly in the first phase of inflammation and acute
diseases while others like Mercury have all stages in differing degrees but
has very marked ulceration and necrosis. Some remedies are more adapted to
a single physical type of constitution, temperament and miasma. Others suit
several different types of patients due to their broad action over human
constitutions, chronic diseases and complex miasms. Nevertheless, each
remedy has a characteristic pattern in which its own stages, degrees,
adaptability and anti-miasmic actions are predominate.
The four stages of pathology also show up on the psychological level.
This is also a very interesting and gratifying area of study. The four
major stages are:
1. This is the early functional stage. This involves of coping mechanisms,
compensation, and other methods of control used to repress complexes while
maintaining the appearance of normality.
2. This is the late functional and early pathological stages. This involves
the breakdown of coping mechanisms and the temporary or intermittent loss
of control over the complexes.
2. This is the establishment of the full pathological stage with neurotic
states. This is where the complexes are exerting control over the patient.
4. This is the advanced pathological stags with psychotic states. This is
when the complexes have complete control over the patient.
Persons in the first stage are controlling their emotions through
coping mechanisms and compensation. For the most part they appear "normal"
but it is a contrived state in which the persona puts on a good face but
the shadow will react by showing opposite states sooner or later. A person
with repressed anger will speak very softly in an effort to control their
emotions but there is stiff masking of the facial expressions and
corresponding body postures. It is impossible to keep up this front forever
because there is a need for problem solving. There will be moment of
uncharacteristic moods accompanied by "Freudian slips" combined with
automatic actions, rigid body posturing, and obvious inner tensions. The
anger will leak out and others will wonder "what has gotten into them?". It
is not what got into them. It is what is coming out of them. This will be
noticed by those close to the person as they are often part of the
triggering mechanism or a convenient target of the "kicking the dog"
syndrome . This corresponds to the state of inflammation or irritation.
The second states begins when the coping mechanisms begin to break down
and the emotions can not longer be compensated or totally repressed. The
anger will now be expressed and the symbolic powers of the word
association, tone and setting will now begin to take over. Certain
situations will trigger inappropriate actions in which the patient appears
to be overreacting to others. The energy of the undigested archetypes and
the complexes in the personal unconscious begin to activate and take
control of the persona and the mask begins to fall off. At this time the
patient alternates between control and coping and loss of control and
troubling moods. The signs of mood affective disorders like depression and
mood swings begin to show themselves. The patient is obviously trouble but
as of yet they are for the most part still in control of their emotions.
This corresponds to the stage of infiltration or induration.
In the third stage the patient begins to take on neurotic behavior which
is noticed by the patient and those around them. This is when anxiety,
hysterical, obsessive compulsive and hypochondriacal neuroses and paranoid
disorders begin to take shape. The undigested archetypes and complexes in
the personal unconscious now control the action of the patient and the
coping mechanisms no longer work. Mood affective disorders like simple
depression takes on the signs of clinical depression and mood swings become
manic depressive bipolar states. The patient begins to suffer all the
classical symptom of full melancholia. The patient life becomes a drama of
symbolic actions and the power of the undigested archetypes rule that
person's actions. Mood, setting and situations trigger stronger reactions
that the patient cannot control and they begin to avoid certain persons,
places and things. Paranoid disorders with fear and phobias increase. There
may be fits of violence toward self and others and suicidal behavior may be
noted. This is corresponds to the stage of suppuration and scarification.
The fourth stage the patient begins to lose contact with reality and
their delusions, projections and hallucinations are taken as the sole
reality. They no longer see their own behavior as inharmonious and lose
self awareness of their actions. They believe that their actions and
thoughts are rational and the actions of others are irrational and
perverse. At this point, the energy of the undigested archetypes takes the
patient over completely and they act out their complexes on the stage of
the delusions and believe that this is the real world. Now the neurosis
gives way to psychosis and schizophrenia and the patient is considered
truly insane. This corresponds to the stage of ulceration and necrosis.
Many times the concomitant physical symptom will correspond the mental
pathology. The body becomes inflamed, infiltrated, suppurated and necrotic
as the psyche becomes more irritated, indurated, scared and ulcerated. The
systems, organs and tissues become targets for related psychosomatic
disorders and conversions diseases. The psyche and soma become mirror
images and the brain will take on chemical imbalances that affect the
nervous system and endocrine glands. This is very common in mood affective
disorders, neuroses, and paranoid diseases.
In some cases, however, the former physical disorders are transferred
to the psyche and the body will remain relatively normal. This is
occasionally witnessed in psychosis and schizophrenia. The patient may
appear strong and healthy although they are seriously compromised mentally.
Mental diseases that start with organic degenerations often have more
serious physical symptoms than those that start at the level of psychic
then target the body. The physical symptoms that original in the psyche are
often transferred back and forth depending on the situation. There are many
potential manifestations of these states so each situation must be
individualized according to its causes, symptoms and attendant circumstances
If one analysis the remedy with these four stages in mind it become very
easy to see the layers and strata within the proving symptoms and their
clinical confirmations. Our remedies are extremely multi-faceted and
multi-polar. This includes both the physical and psychological symptoms.
That is why not one single essence or theme can complex cover the entire
Gestalt pattern of a homeopathic remedy. They have phase in which their
symptoms are the opposite of other phases. This makes it impossible to
pigeon hole the remedies into one signal keynote. Trying to categorized
remedies in simple categories like hot or cold is impossible. There are few
remedies that are completely hot or cold. One can call Sulphur a "hot
remedy" but it also is a 3 for lack of vital heat! This multifaceted nature
is true with most of the deep acting chronic remedies. Looking at the
remedies in stages helps to clarify why a remedy is hot at one stage, has
mixed thermals at another, and is cold in the end.
Stages and degrees also explains how to use symptoms that might appear
"healthy" like cheerfulness. In the first stage cheerfulness is often a
coping mechanism to cover up sadness by compensations that are not natural.
When someone is too cheerful bordering on hysterical laughter this is not a
healthy state. One can almost here them crying in the tone of their
laughter! When so-called healthy states are presented are part of persona
mask it is a form of compensation not healthy conditions. Excessive of
normal beneficial emotions are also diseases. Pride is good but the pride
of Platina is pathological because it involves ego-inflation and delusions
of being royal, precious and better than all others.
Stages and degrees also shows one how contradictory symptoms fall into
place. For example, a keynote of Natrum Muriaticum is said to be sadness,
depression, and a closed grief stricken state where the patient is unable
to cry, etc. This, however, only relates to Natrum Muriaticum in the 3rd
stage of mental pathology. In the first stage Natrum Muriaticum is
cheerful, open, romantic, hopeful and cries fairly easily. In the second
stage they suffer mood swings in which they are sometimes cheerful and
sometimes sad and sometimes they laugh and sometimes they cry, etc. In the
third stage they become depressed, emotionally rigid, hopeless, suicidal
and never cry or show much emotion. In the fourth stage their complexes
take over and they act out there undigested archetypes and express their
complexes in a manner that is complete psychotic. These could manifest as
an extreme form of any of the symptoms of the previous stages. They now
become what people call insane because they are completely out of touch
with reality.
This same analysis in stages and degrees can be applied to diseases,
patients and remedies. Nevertheless, one should realize that any system of
analysis can only function relative to the time and circumstances to which
it is applied and has it exceptions. The observer is always part of the
observation and should not think that reality is easily place in neat,
little boxes. I hope this helps elucidate the stages and degrees of illness
as well as the multifaceted nature of our remedies.
Similia Minimus
Sincerely, David Little
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000
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Piet Guijt
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Re: Stages of Disease and Remedies 1
David wrote:
Hello David,
Thanks for this valuable contribution.
Isn't this close to what Vijayakar is teaching?
Vijayakar is regarding the relations of the miasm as a part of the timeline
and a part of Herings rules.
Everybody will start with a acute/psoric reaction, but i.e. someone with a
syphylic constitution will progess rapidly to a syphilic state.
Isn't this depending how deep you look?
When we look at the secondary expressions, this is correct, but when we look
at the primary core of the disease this is not true.
All expression even though sometimes opposites, express the same
archetypical issue.
The secondary expression are depending of the miasms involved, the
circumstances, stage of disease, constitution, age, education , etc.
But the underlying susceptibility will remain the same, on this level the
remedies are not multi-faceted, but represent their true fixed essence?
Just some thoughts,
Kind regards, Piet
Hello David,
Thanks for this valuable contribution.
Isn't this close to what Vijayakar is teaching?
Vijayakar is regarding the relations of the miasm as a part of the timeline
and a part of Herings rules.
Everybody will start with a acute/psoric reaction, but i.e. someone with a
syphylic constitution will progess rapidly to a syphilic state.
Isn't this depending how deep you look?
When we look at the secondary expressions, this is correct, but when we look
at the primary core of the disease this is not true.
All expression even though sometimes opposites, express the same
archetypical issue.
The secondary expression are depending of the miasms involved, the
circumstances, stage of disease, constitution, age, education , etc.
But the underlying susceptibility will remain the same, on this level the
remedies are not multi-faceted, but represent their true fixed essence?
Just some thoughts,
Kind regards, Piet
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David Little
- Posts: 407
- Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2001 11:00 pm
Re: Stages of Disease and Remedies 1
At 04:20 PM 5/14/2005, you wrote:
Hello,
I think most of these ideas by experience homeopaths are somewhat
similar because they are looking at the same phenomena.
As deep as one looks at any phenomena one finds complementary
particles. The atom is made of three sub-atomic particles not one. The
sub-atomic particles are made up smaller particles, etc. Nothing that
exists is made out of 1 singularity.
What is not true? If the idea is that there is only one core archetype for
every remedy I not agree.
Yes, opposites may express the same archetype.
Not in my experience of patients, remedies or the universe. I have yet to
see an essence or theme that covered all aspects of the chronic remedies.
Ais no fixed monolithic singularities as everything is of inter-dependant
origination and relative in nature. The same homeomeries make up all
phenomena by combining in different combinations. Nothing is just yin and
nothing is just yang.
Sincerely, David Little
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000
Hello,
I think most of these ideas by experience homeopaths are somewhat
similar because they are looking at the same phenomena.
As deep as one looks at any phenomena one finds complementary
particles. The atom is made of three sub-atomic particles not one. The
sub-atomic particles are made up smaller particles, etc. Nothing that
exists is made out of 1 singularity.
What is not true? If the idea is that there is only one core archetype for
every remedy I not agree.
Yes, opposites may express the same archetype.
Not in my experience of patients, remedies or the universe. I have yet to
see an essence or theme that covered all aspects of the chronic remedies.
Ais no fixed monolithic singularities as everything is of inter-dependant
origination and relative in nature. The same homeomeries make up all
phenomena by combining in different combinations. Nothing is just yin and
nothing is just yang.
Sincerely, David Little
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000
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David Little
- Posts: 407
- Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2001 11:00 pm
Re: Stages of Disease and Remedies 1
At 04:20 PM 5/14/2005, you wrote:
Hello,
I think most of these ideas by experience homeopaths are somewhat
similar because they are looking at the same phenomena.
As deep as one looks at any phenomena one finds multiple particles and
energy patterns. The atom is made of three sub-atomic particles not one.
These particles are made up of other smaller particles, not one
singularity, etc. Nothing that is manifest is made out of a singularity.
Not all Natrum Muriaticum patients demonstrate the same archetypal
complexes no matter how deep one looks. No two Natrum mur patients shows
the exact same constitution, temperament, causes, conditioning, signs and
symptoms, etc. To bring Natrum mur down to a single keynote that covers
every patient every time under every circumstance is in line with clinical
reality. We choose remedies by the essential nature of the totality of the
symptoms for this very reason. No one symptom is complete in itself by
itself. This makes it impossible to pigeon hole our deep acting remedies
into one signal keynote! That is my clinical opinion.
Yes, opposites states may express the same archetype. Complementary
opposite and functional polarities are part of nature.
Not in my experience of patients, remedies or the universe. There is no
fixed monolithic singularity as everything is of inter-dependant
origination and relative in nature to space, time and the observer. No two
patients show the exact same susceptibility, signs and symptoms even if
they need the same remedy. Hahnemann wrote:"All these perceptible signs
represent the disease in its entire extent, that is, together they form the
true and only conceivable Gestalt of the disease. " and "It is the totality
of the symptoms is the outwardly reflected image of the inner essence of
the disease, that is, of the suffering of the life force. "
This is Hahnemann's essence not a single keynote. If one wants to
understand the essence of a remedy or family try to record the essential
characteristics of its visible Gestalt-pattern, which will cover many
patients and their undigested archetypes and complexes.That's how I see it.
Remedies have their *essential patterns" not a fixed singularity. Every
time I see a single "essence" of a remedy it just looks like just another
characteristic symptom to me. I am no more satisfied with a single keynote
begin called a remedy than I am with one color being called a painting.
Sincerely, David Little
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000
Hello,
I think most of these ideas by experience homeopaths are somewhat
similar because they are looking at the same phenomena.
As deep as one looks at any phenomena one finds multiple particles and
energy patterns. The atom is made of three sub-atomic particles not one.
These particles are made up of other smaller particles, not one
singularity, etc. Nothing that is manifest is made out of a singularity.
Not all Natrum Muriaticum patients demonstrate the same archetypal
complexes no matter how deep one looks. No two Natrum mur patients shows
the exact same constitution, temperament, causes, conditioning, signs and
symptoms, etc. To bring Natrum mur down to a single keynote that covers
every patient every time under every circumstance is in line with clinical
reality. We choose remedies by the essential nature of the totality of the
symptoms for this very reason. No one symptom is complete in itself by
itself. This makes it impossible to pigeon hole our deep acting remedies
into one signal keynote! That is my clinical opinion.
Yes, opposites states may express the same archetype. Complementary
opposite and functional polarities are part of nature.
Not in my experience of patients, remedies or the universe. There is no
fixed monolithic singularity as everything is of inter-dependant
origination and relative in nature to space, time and the observer. No two
patients show the exact same susceptibility, signs and symptoms even if
they need the same remedy. Hahnemann wrote:"All these perceptible signs
represent the disease in its entire extent, that is, together they form the
true and only conceivable Gestalt of the disease. " and "It is the totality
of the symptoms is the outwardly reflected image of the inner essence of
the disease, that is, of the suffering of the life force. "
This is Hahnemann's essence not a single keynote. If one wants to
understand the essence of a remedy or family try to record the essential
characteristics of its visible Gestalt-pattern, which will cover many
patients and their undigested archetypes and complexes.That's how I see it.
Remedies have their *essential patterns" not a fixed singularity. Every
time I see a single "essence" of a remedy it just looks like just another
characteristic symptom to me. I am no more satisfied with a single keynote
begin called a remedy than I am with one color being called a painting.
Sincerely, David Little
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000
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Piet Guijt
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- Joined: Sun Sep 09, 2001 10:00 pm
Re: Stages of Disease and Remedies 1
David wrote;
complexes no matter how deep one looks. No two Natrum mur patients shows
the exact same constitution, temperament, causes, conditioning, signs and
symptoms, etc. To bring Natrum mur down to a single keynote that covers
every patient every time under every circumstance is in line with clinical
reality. We choose remedies by the essential nature of the totality of the
symptoms for this very reason. No one symptom is complete in itself by
itself. This makes it impossible to pigeon hole our deep acting remedies
into one signal keynote! That is my clinical opinion.
Hello David,
You seem to miss my point here.
What your saying is refering to the patient, not to the remedy. In one case
the prescription is more close to the center, then in another case.
It is not that opposites states of the same remedy MAY express the same
archetype, they ALWAYS do.
All I'm saying that opposite or different states of the same remedy have one
level in common.
The essence of a remedy is not the same as the expression of a patient, but
where the expression comes from.
Every mineral, plant, animal, human is created with its unique pattern and
meaning. Our remedies, derived from those kingdoms, represent this essence.
This doesn't mean we are able to catch this in one word, I never said that,
but it still is a universal transcendental pattern.
When we prescribe the simillimum for a patient, our remedy must basically
acts on this level, not on the symptoms, which are only expressions of this
deeper level.
When we prescribe for different/ opposite Natrum Muriaticum patients, our
pills still comes from the same vial (source)?
Kind regards, Piet
complexes no matter how deep one looks. No two Natrum mur patients shows
the exact same constitution, temperament, causes, conditioning, signs and
symptoms, etc. To bring Natrum mur down to a single keynote that covers
every patient every time under every circumstance is in line with clinical
reality. We choose remedies by the essential nature of the totality of the
symptoms for this very reason. No one symptom is complete in itself by
itself. This makes it impossible to pigeon hole our deep acting remedies
into one signal keynote! That is my clinical opinion.
Hello David,
You seem to miss my point here.
What your saying is refering to the patient, not to the remedy. In one case
the prescription is more close to the center, then in another case.
It is not that opposites states of the same remedy MAY express the same
archetype, they ALWAYS do.
All I'm saying that opposite or different states of the same remedy have one
level in common.
The essence of a remedy is not the same as the expression of a patient, but
where the expression comes from.
Every mineral, plant, animal, human is created with its unique pattern and
meaning. Our remedies, derived from those kingdoms, represent this essence.
This doesn't mean we are able to catch this in one word, I never said that,
but it still is a universal transcendental pattern.
When we prescribe the simillimum for a patient, our remedy must basically
acts on this level, not on the symptoms, which are only expressions of this
deeper level.
When we prescribe for different/ opposite Natrum Muriaticum patients, our
pills still comes from the same vial (source)?
Kind regards, Piet
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Shannon Nelson
- Posts: 8848
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Re: Stages of Disease and Remedies 1
Hi Piet,
Maybe the trick is to turn the "nature of the remedy" into "an
statement which will be true for all persons who need the remedy", or
even more usefully, "a statement which can indicate need for that
remedy."
I would love to hear you and David discuss some specific examples?
Maybe start with nat-m, but look at some others too?
Thanks!
Shannon
Maybe the trick is to turn the "nature of the remedy" into "an
statement which will be true for all persons who need the remedy", or
even more usefully, "a statement which can indicate need for that
remedy."
I would love to hear you and David discuss some specific examples?
Maybe start with nat-m, but look at some others too?
Thanks!
Shannon
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doctorleelah2h
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Re: Stages of Disease and Remedies 1
Hi David,
Did you get my email reply to you ... a couple of weeks back?
thanks,
leela
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, David Little wrote:
study so
stages of
corresponding
as well
incudes
changes
pathology. This
systems,
disease.
different
manner. The
choice of
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liquid,
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infections there
tissue. In
discharge. In
production of pus
yellow
is
discharge of
come with
stage
irritability;
third
etc; and
These are
witnessed
with
ulceration
inflamed
scared;
differing
symptoms,
stages has
pathological
to cure
early
of
the four
miasms,
by
and over
and
psora and
syphilis
sexual
some of the
an
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then
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similar to
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proliferation
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like
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adapted to
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Homoeopathic
Did you get my email reply to you ... a couple of weeks back?
thanks,
leela
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, David Little wrote:
study so
stages of
corresponding
as well
incudes
changes
pathology. This
systems,
disease.
different
manner. The
choice of
etc), the
liquid,
(low,
of the
diseases. For
infections there
tissue. In
discharge. In
production of pus
yellow
is
discharge of
come with
stage
irritability;
third
etc; and
These are
witnessed
with
ulceration
inflamed
scared;
differing
symptoms,
stages has
pathological
to cure
early
of
the four
miasms,
by
and over
and
psora and
syphilis
sexual
some of the
an
of this
then
systemic
similar to
HIV/AIDS
proliferation
different stages
like
degrees but
adapted to
Others suit
human
each
degrees,
psychological level.
four
mechanisms,
complexes while
involves
intermittent loss
neurotic
patient.
This is
through
appear "normal"
face but
person
their
forever
of
with
tensions. The
them?". It
will be
dog"
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David Little
- Posts: 407
- Joined: Sun Nov 04, 2001 11:00 pm
Re: Stages of Disease and Remedies 1
At 02:06 PM 5/16/2005, you wrote:
Dear Piet, a pleasure as always:
I am not missing the original point - you are changing the nature of
the discussion.
I wrote: " If one analysis the remedy with these four stages in mind
it become very easy to see the layers and strata within the proving
symptoms and their clinical confirmations. Our remedies are extremely
multi-faceted and multi-polar. This includes both the physical and
psychological symptoms. That is why not one single essence or theme can
cover the entire Gestalt pattern of a homeopathic remedy. They have phases
in which their symptoms are the opposite of other phases. This makes it
impossible to pigeon hole the remedies into one signal keynote."
To this you (Peit) abswered: "Isn't this depending how deep you look?
When we look at the secondary expressions, this is correct, but when we look
at the primary core of the disease this is not true."
This was the original context. You defended the idea that one single
keynote can express a whole remedy if you look deep enough and said when
looking at the primary core of the disease my statement was "not true". I
was simply standing by MY statement that our remedies are too multi-facet
and multipolar to be pigeon holed into one single symptom. Every remedy has
an invisible Esse that cannot be directly perceived because it is beyond
our senses and concepts of name and form. To get a true understanding of
the Esse we must study the totality of the symptoms that the remedy
produced in the provings and enhance our understanding through analogy and
experience. That is what the discussion WAS about.
Now you say: "This doesn't mean we are able to catch this in one word, I
never said that, but it still is a universal transcendental pattern." So
this is a change of position or misunderstanding of the original context as
we now seem to agree!
Patients, diseases and the medical substances all have their Esse (Gr.
Wesen). There is a human Wesen, a disease Wesen and a remedy Wesen. The
Wesen remedy acts on the human Wesen. One can not see this remedy Esse but
one can observe its Gestalt-pattern in human beings by the signs and
symptom it produces in the provings. In the same way, one cannot understand
the Wesen of a disease by one symptom. As Hahnemann said, one symptom is no
more the disease than one foot is the patient. That is MY point.
Goethe taught that there is an archetypal plant but we will never “see”
this transcendental plant. We can, however, gain insights of the Esse
through studying phenomena like growth patterns, seeds, roots, stems, leaf
and fruit in the plants we can see. One cannot describe the transcendental
plant just with the word "growth" alone although this describe one aspect.
The most accurate thing we an do is paint a portrait that is similar by
observing the total field of its display because the whole is more than the
sum of is parts. Whitmont wrote:
"The archetypal principle itself, however, is as such inaccessible to
our direct sense observation. We can see only its manifestation e.g. root,
stem, leaf, blossom, etc. By means of reasoning abstraction we proclaim the
existence of the common primordial force principle, which manifests in
those elements. Similarly, we can describe only manifestations of the
spiritual entity that metamorphorzises as soul images, body functions and
shapes, as well as animal, plant and mineral forms.": (Psyche and
Substance; E. C. Whitmont, page 28-29.)
The are no fixed, isolated, independent entities that makes up the
archetype of individual minerals, plants and animals. There is only one
common primordial power that is reflected through different energy
configurations that make up the Gestalt-phenomena associated with various
manifestations. The only way we can describe these archetypal powers is
through the totality of their field of operation in the relative world.
This is why we must study the entire remedy-Gestalt through its signs and
symptoms to understand its medical powers.
The "center" of the case is not a fixed core some where in the center
of the patient. The totality of the symptoms are like the hub, spokes and
rim of a wheel.. If the rim or a spoke is broken trying to fix the hub with
not help. Just because the hub is at the "center" doesn't mean it is always
the core of the problem. So when we say "center of the case" we really mean
using a remedy that has all the important connecting points that make up
the disease-Gestalt that reflects the mistuned vital force.
If one is looking at the remedial Wesen of "Natrum Muriaticum" as THE
archetype then "all" the symptoms demonstrate "Naturm Muriaticum's
archetype". Every mineral, plant or animal focuses a common power that
manifest as different phenomena depending on its vehicle. Each medical
substances focuses Nature's power in such a manner that it produces a
characteristic Gestalt-pattern in which the whole is more than the sum of
its parts. This makes up essential nature of the totality of a remedy's
signs and symptoms. The four phases of pathology and all the similar and
opposite symptoms all express medicinal Wesen of the remedy.
Different patients reflect different aspects of the greater
remedy-Gestalt. TOur deep acting remedies are so expansive that they
produce states that are similar to a number of undigested archetypes,
psychological complexes and physical diseases found in human beings. There
is no core delusion or singe symptom that covers every potential
manifestation of our multifaceted homeopathic remedies at all times, under
all circumstances, and in all patients.
Sincerely, David Little
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000
Dear Piet, a pleasure as always:
I am not missing the original point - you are changing the nature of
the discussion.
I wrote: " If one analysis the remedy with these four stages in mind
it become very easy to see the layers and strata within the proving
symptoms and their clinical confirmations. Our remedies are extremely
multi-faceted and multi-polar. This includes both the physical and
psychological symptoms. That is why not one single essence or theme can
cover the entire Gestalt pattern of a homeopathic remedy. They have phases
in which their symptoms are the opposite of other phases. This makes it
impossible to pigeon hole the remedies into one signal keynote."
To this you (Peit) abswered: "Isn't this depending how deep you look?
When we look at the secondary expressions, this is correct, but when we look
at the primary core of the disease this is not true."
This was the original context. You defended the idea that one single
keynote can express a whole remedy if you look deep enough and said when
looking at the primary core of the disease my statement was "not true". I
was simply standing by MY statement that our remedies are too multi-facet
and multipolar to be pigeon holed into one single symptom. Every remedy has
an invisible Esse that cannot be directly perceived because it is beyond
our senses and concepts of name and form. To get a true understanding of
the Esse we must study the totality of the symptoms that the remedy
produced in the provings and enhance our understanding through analogy and
experience. That is what the discussion WAS about.
Now you say: "This doesn't mean we are able to catch this in one word, I
never said that, but it still is a universal transcendental pattern." So
this is a change of position or misunderstanding of the original context as
we now seem to agree!
Patients, diseases and the medical substances all have their Esse (Gr.
Wesen). There is a human Wesen, a disease Wesen and a remedy Wesen. The
Wesen remedy acts on the human Wesen. One can not see this remedy Esse but
one can observe its Gestalt-pattern in human beings by the signs and
symptom it produces in the provings. In the same way, one cannot understand
the Wesen of a disease by one symptom. As Hahnemann said, one symptom is no
more the disease than one foot is the patient. That is MY point.
Goethe taught that there is an archetypal plant but we will never “see”
this transcendental plant. We can, however, gain insights of the Esse
through studying phenomena like growth patterns, seeds, roots, stems, leaf
and fruit in the plants we can see. One cannot describe the transcendental
plant just with the word "growth" alone although this describe one aspect.
The most accurate thing we an do is paint a portrait that is similar by
observing the total field of its display because the whole is more than the
sum of is parts. Whitmont wrote:
"The archetypal principle itself, however, is as such inaccessible to
our direct sense observation. We can see only its manifestation e.g. root,
stem, leaf, blossom, etc. By means of reasoning abstraction we proclaim the
existence of the common primordial force principle, which manifests in
those elements. Similarly, we can describe only manifestations of the
spiritual entity that metamorphorzises as soul images, body functions and
shapes, as well as animal, plant and mineral forms.": (Psyche and
Substance; E. C. Whitmont, page 28-29.)
The are no fixed, isolated, independent entities that makes up the
archetype of individual minerals, plants and animals. There is only one
common primordial power that is reflected through different energy
configurations that make up the Gestalt-phenomena associated with various
manifestations. The only way we can describe these archetypal powers is
through the totality of their field of operation in the relative world.
This is why we must study the entire remedy-Gestalt through its signs and
symptoms to understand its medical powers.
The "center" of the case is not a fixed core some where in the center
of the patient. The totality of the symptoms are like the hub, spokes and
rim of a wheel.. If the rim or a spoke is broken trying to fix the hub with
not help. Just because the hub is at the "center" doesn't mean it is always
the core of the problem. So when we say "center of the case" we really mean
using a remedy that has all the important connecting points that make up
the disease-Gestalt that reflects the mistuned vital force.
If one is looking at the remedial Wesen of "Natrum Muriaticum" as THE
archetype then "all" the symptoms demonstrate "Naturm Muriaticum's
archetype". Every mineral, plant or animal focuses a common power that
manifest as different phenomena depending on its vehicle. Each medical
substances focuses Nature's power in such a manner that it produces a
characteristic Gestalt-pattern in which the whole is more than the sum of
its parts. This makes up essential nature of the totality of a remedy's
signs and symptoms. The four phases of pathology and all the similar and
opposite symptoms all express medicinal Wesen of the remedy.
Different patients reflect different aspects of the greater
remedy-Gestalt. TOur deep acting remedies are so expansive that they
produce states that are similar to a number of undigested archetypes,
psychological complexes and physical diseases found in human beings. There
is no core delusion or singe symptom that covers every potential
manifestation of our multifaceted homeopathic remedies at all times, under
all circumstances, and in all patients.
Sincerely, David Little
---------------
"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."
Samuel Hahnemann
Visit our website on Hahnemannian Homoeopathy and Cyberspace Homoeopathic
Academy at
http://www.simillimum.com
David Little © 2000
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Piet Guijt
- Posts: 271
- Joined: Sun Sep 09, 2001 10:00 pm
Re: Stages of Disease and Remedies 1
David wrote:
Hello David,
Sorry for not being clear enough, but what I meant to say is that in
opposite pictures of the same remedy prescribed as the simillimum the way or
pattern of being sick is exactly the same.
You illustrate the crux of this discussion in the above sentences.
You say the polychrests contain multiple archetypes, this is somehow true,
but this means this is on a more superficial level.
Some say a remedy like Sulphur has no face of its own, because it is able to
produce almost every symptom of our repertory.
I do not agree, of course Sulphur has a face of its own, but because it has
such a broad symptom picture it will cover single phases or present states
of other remedies as well.
But is Sulphur the simillimum in such a case? No it steals the show, but is
nothing more then a simile, covering a satellite expression of the deeper
problem.
To prescribe the simillimum one must connect the different phases of the
disease. Such a prescription will also take care of the underlying deeper
susceptibility of the complete disease.
Prescribing on the present symptom complex without understanding the bigger
picture where it comes from, will lead to superficial prescriptions. This
way of treatment is a practical tool, but in the long run a never ending
story.
This is what I meant, with 'looking deeper'.
The complete disease as a unity, has a dynamic pattern, just like Shannon
said that must be captured in a precise statement (which is more then a
single keynote) that sums up not only all that the remedy encapsulates, but
also the dynamic aspects of it, how it moves from one stage of the illness
to the next (Paul Herscu http://www.wholehealthnow.com/herscu/)
Or like Per Neesgaard (Masi) says: "The establishment of a hypothesis for a
remedy that explains the fundamental problem, to which the totality of
symptoms can be traced, which explains how the totality of symptoms for that
remedy can been seen as counterbalance for the deepest violation of the laws
of nature in the hierarchy of that person"
The fundamental problem is connected to the transcendental quality of the
remedy, the central theme of the remedy in absolute form.
An example of such a remedy statement by Paul Herscu (Stramonium, With an
indtoduction to analysis using Cycles and Segment): "Driven by confusion,
fears, and vulnerability, Stramonium is engaged in an ongoing and violent
battle between the unconscious and the conscious, between dark and light,
between succumbing to the death realm and yearning to exist in the life
realm."
An example showing that opposite poles express the same problem by Per
Neesgaard (Man Miasm and Modality):
"Moschus which is has the susceptibility to want to have privileges and
respect alone by virtue of their membership of society, alone on the basis
of their affiliation to the group. They expect all privileges and protection
from society without first having to earn it. In the first phase they feel
insecure as soon as they move outside the staked out territory, in the next
phase they emphasise the advantages of the collective and in denial of the
loss, they behave in a opposite manner. They reject every society."
With the centre of the case I mean the Trancendental Quality, which I
believe is the true individual point of the case.
How man reacts on this depends on the miasmatic phase of the disease.
The complete disease has only one pattern (cycle), but more segments.
Prescribing for an isolated segment with an polychrest, might be
suppressive, at the best palliative.
I hope this explains my point of view, and the nature of my earlier comments
Kind regards, Piet
Hello David,
Sorry for not being clear enough, but what I meant to say is that in
opposite pictures of the same remedy prescribed as the simillimum the way or
pattern of being sick is exactly the same.
You illustrate the crux of this discussion in the above sentences.
You say the polychrests contain multiple archetypes, this is somehow true,
but this means this is on a more superficial level.
Some say a remedy like Sulphur has no face of its own, because it is able to
produce almost every symptom of our repertory.
I do not agree, of course Sulphur has a face of its own, but because it has
such a broad symptom picture it will cover single phases or present states
of other remedies as well.
But is Sulphur the simillimum in such a case? No it steals the show, but is
nothing more then a simile, covering a satellite expression of the deeper
problem.
To prescribe the simillimum one must connect the different phases of the
disease. Such a prescription will also take care of the underlying deeper
susceptibility of the complete disease.
Prescribing on the present symptom complex without understanding the bigger
picture where it comes from, will lead to superficial prescriptions. This
way of treatment is a practical tool, but in the long run a never ending
story.
This is what I meant, with 'looking deeper'.
The complete disease as a unity, has a dynamic pattern, just like Shannon
said that must be captured in a precise statement (which is more then a
single keynote) that sums up not only all that the remedy encapsulates, but
also the dynamic aspects of it, how it moves from one stage of the illness
to the next (Paul Herscu http://www.wholehealthnow.com/herscu/)
Or like Per Neesgaard (Masi) says: "The establishment of a hypothesis for a
remedy that explains the fundamental problem, to which the totality of
symptoms can be traced, which explains how the totality of symptoms for that
remedy can been seen as counterbalance for the deepest violation of the laws
of nature in the hierarchy of that person"
The fundamental problem is connected to the transcendental quality of the
remedy, the central theme of the remedy in absolute form.
An example of such a remedy statement by Paul Herscu (Stramonium, With an
indtoduction to analysis using Cycles and Segment): "Driven by confusion,
fears, and vulnerability, Stramonium is engaged in an ongoing and violent
battle between the unconscious and the conscious, between dark and light,
between succumbing to the death realm and yearning to exist in the life
realm."
An example showing that opposite poles express the same problem by Per
Neesgaard (Man Miasm and Modality):
"Moschus which is has the susceptibility to want to have privileges and
respect alone by virtue of their membership of society, alone on the basis
of their affiliation to the group. They expect all privileges and protection
from society without first having to earn it. In the first phase they feel
insecure as soon as they move outside the staked out territory, in the next
phase they emphasise the advantages of the collective and in denial of the
loss, they behave in a opposite manner. They reject every society."
With the centre of the case I mean the Trancendental Quality, which I
believe is the true individual point of the case.
How man reacts on this depends on the miasmatic phase of the disease.
The complete disease has only one pattern (cycle), but more segments.
Prescribing for an isolated segment with an polychrest, might be
suppressive, at the best palliative.
I hope this explains my point of view, and the nature of my earlier comments
Kind regards, Piet