Would you accept this case?
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Rochelle Marsden
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Would you accept this case?
My VistaPrint Electronic Business CardI had a phone call today from the wife of a 72 year old man wanting to know if I could help him. I said I would ask the list if they thought he could be helped by homeopathy.
2 years ago he was fine one minute and the next he was bilious and ended up in hospital on a drip. When his wife came to take him home he barricaded himself to his bed and wouldn't go with her. he has had many tests and according to his wife scans have shown no dementia and no schizophrenia. However he is on a drug called Anisulpride to stoop hallucinations. When I asked for an example of these his wife said "a pit bull terrier on the roof, a family living in their kettle, people in the garden going to shoot us" i.e. a very wide variety of different things. Without the drug he gets the hallucinations. The other drug he is on is Procyclidine "to get him moving in the morning". I looked this one up and the BNF said it is used to counteract the side effect on immobility from anti psychotic drugs!! The wife can't get him to go out any further than the corner of the road as he is frightened if robbers if he leaves the house. Apparently his memory is fine but he can't do things for himself. I spoke to him on the phone and he sounded completely drugged up.
Well would any of you take on this case. In all honesty I don't think I could do a lot here as he has to be on the drugs and it is probably those that are causing some of the problem
Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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2 years ago he was fine one minute and the next he was bilious and ended up in hospital on a drip. When his wife came to take him home he barricaded himself to his bed and wouldn't go with her. he has had many tests and according to his wife scans have shown no dementia and no schizophrenia. However he is on a drug called Anisulpride to stoop hallucinations. When I asked for an example of these his wife said "a pit bull terrier on the roof, a family living in their kettle, people in the garden going to shoot us" i.e. a very wide variety of different things. Without the drug he gets the hallucinations. The other drug he is on is Procyclidine "to get him moving in the morning". I looked this one up and the BNF said it is used to counteract the side effect on immobility from anti psychotic drugs!! The wife can't get him to go out any further than the corner of the road as he is frightened if robbers if he leaves the house. Apparently his memory is fine but he can't do things for himself. I spoke to him on the phone and he sounded completely drugged up.
Well would any of you take on this case. In all honesty I don't think I could do a lot here as he has to be on the drugs and it is probably those that are causing some of the problem
Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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Re: Would you accept this case?
I would......because I never refuse a case, as complicated as it can appear
from the onset.........
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
from the onset.........
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
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Donna Rona
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Re: Would you accept this case?
Quick question - the word bilious has two definitions - it can be 'resulting from some ailment of the bile or the liver', and it can also be 'cross or bad-tempered'. Was his hospitalization 2 years ago caused by a liver problem, or was he suddenly bad-tempered?
Was he previously on Anisulpride or Procyclidine or were these started after the first hospitilization 2 years ago?
Donna
Was he previously on Anisulpride or Procyclidine or were these started after the first hospitilization 2 years ago?
Donna
Re: Would you accept this case?
on 3/17/05 4:37 PM, Rochelle Marsden at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:
((( Dear Rochelle, Is the guy is all that far from being healthy? Two yrs
on antihallucinatories could have taken their toll, but if a hallucination
case to begin with, then they may not be the culprits for diverse illusions.
I know you have not asked for rx, but
Bilious
Sudden onset
Delirious/delusions
Fear robbers
may lead first to Belladonna, normally healthy, but when do erupt suddenly
into sickness, do so floridly. The center of Bell mentally is delirium with
all manner of diverse visions and imaginations. Perhaps he got a chill and
flipped into a Bell state and that became chronic; with a Bell complement
underneath (eg calc)...
Best,
A
((( Dear Rochelle, Is the guy is all that far from being healthy? Two yrs
on antihallucinatories could have taken their toll, but if a hallucination
case to begin with, then they may not be the culprits for diverse illusions.
I know you have not asked for rx, but
Bilious
Sudden onset
Delirious/delusions
Fear robbers
may lead first to Belladonna, normally healthy, but when do erupt suddenly
into sickness, do so floridly. The center of Bell mentally is delirium with
all manner of diverse visions and imaginations. Perhaps he got a chill and
flipped into a Bell state and that became chronic; with a Bell complement
underneath (eg calc)...
Best,
A
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Jean Doherty
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Peter Graham
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Re: Would you accept this case?
have recently had wonderful results with a similar sort of case.
Michele.
Michele.
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Would you accept this case?
Also I would want to know *exactly* what happened--what was he doing
while he was "fine", can she remember anything at *all* unusual in the
days/hours before (about him, or about their surroundings or whatever),
and *exactly* what led to his hospitalization--what did he
look/sound/act like, what happened? I'd want to see it in my mind like
a movie, in case there are any clues there? Without having a bit more
of the case, I don't know how you can tell if you might help...
while he was "fine", can she remember anything at *all* unusual in the
days/hours before (about him, or about their surroundings or whatever),
and *exactly* what led to his hospitalization--what did he
look/sound/act like, what happened? I'd want to see it in my mind like
a movie, in case there are any clues there? Without having a bit more
of the case, I don't know how you can tell if you might help...
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Rochelle Marsden
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Re: Would you accept this case?
No idea about the bilious as this was a quick telephone call and previously he was on no drugs.
Rochelle
Rochelle
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Rochelle Marsden
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Re: Would you accept this case?
Please tell us about it within the bounds of confidentiality that is.
The problem I have with this is taking money with only a slim hope of a remedy getting through to the patient. I don't know their financial situation but I am thinking pensioners on a fixed income and their address shows me probably a flat within a old house although I will probably drive past and see some time. I don't feel I could take it on foc because it is from a recommendation and word gets around. I also have to make a living and keep my reputation intact in the small town I live.
Thank you everyone else for their contribution.
Rochelle
The problem I have with this is taking money with only a slim hope of a remedy getting through to the patient. I don't know their financial situation but I am thinking pensioners on a fixed income and their address shows me probably a flat within a old house although I will probably drive past and see some time. I don't feel I could take it on foc because it is from a recommendation and word gets around. I also have to make a living and keep my reputation intact in the small town I live.
Thank you everyone else for their contribution.
Rochelle
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Carol Boyce
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Re: Would you accept this case?
Seems there are two questions being answered here:
Is this a case for homeopathy? Despite current drug therapy, it has
all the hallmarks - sudden change, sudden marked and vivid mental Sx
in someone previously not exhibiting any - may or may not be related
to the drugs - but there was an aetiology prior to that which led to
the first sudden hospitalisation. Not enough information in a short
phone call but sounds like our kind of case.
The second issue is whether YOU Rochelle take the case on or not.
As far as payment goes, it's always a complex issue and to some
extent not your responsibility. You decide what fee you will ask for
and they will decide whether they can meet it or not. Driving past a
house will actually tell you nothing about their financial situation.
They might have a relative willing to pay for the treatment for
instance.
It seems from what you say that it's as much to do with you not
wanting to take on a case that might not resolve because of the
effect it might have on your reputation? I don't think any of us
ever know before we take a case in full and begin treatment what the
issues really are - cases which sounded complex resolve easily,
others which sound a breeze on the phone are actually very
complicated once the real story unfolds.
What about the possibility of referring the case to someone else???
Carol
Carol Boyce BSc(Hons), LCH, MCH, CCH
Director of Education
The Homeopathic Symposium
http://www.homeopathicsymposium.com
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Is this a case for homeopathy? Despite current drug therapy, it has
all the hallmarks - sudden change, sudden marked and vivid mental Sx
in someone previously not exhibiting any - may or may not be related
to the drugs - but there was an aetiology prior to that which led to
the first sudden hospitalisation. Not enough information in a short
phone call but sounds like our kind of case.
The second issue is whether YOU Rochelle take the case on or not.
As far as payment goes, it's always a complex issue and to some
extent not your responsibility. You decide what fee you will ask for
and they will decide whether they can meet it or not. Driving past a
house will actually tell you nothing about their financial situation.
They might have a relative willing to pay for the treatment for
instance.
It seems from what you say that it's as much to do with you not
wanting to take on a case that might not resolve because of the
effect it might have on your reputation? I don't think any of us
ever know before we take a case in full and begin treatment what the
issues really are - cases which sounded complex resolve easily,
others which sound a breeze on the phone are actually very
complicated once the real story unfolds.
What about the possibility of referring the case to someone else???
Carol
Carol Boyce BSc(Hons), LCH, MCH, CCH
Director of Education
The Homeopathic Symposium
http://www.homeopathicsymposium.com
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