Homeopathy!!

[J Lucas]

Friends of yours But no, this isn't the speculative way I would want
this discussion to go. My influence is still Hahnemann.

Joy

http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
Simon wrote
This seems to me to be bordering on the Adam and Eve 'original sin'
theory of human imperfection - non?

[d_barbara_hamilton]

Oops, sorry - spelling is psychoneuroimmunology, in case anyone is interested.

B

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[Nader Moradi]

Dear Ardavan,

Thanx a lot and I would be pleased if you say your idea on aphorism 78:
§78
The true, natural, chronic diseases are those that arise from a chronic
miasm. When left to themselves (without the use of remedies that are
specific against them) these diseases go on increasing. Even with the best
mental and bodily dietetic conduct, they mount until the end of life,
tormenting the person with greater and greater sufferings. Besides those
diseases that are engendered by medical malpractice (§74), these are the
most numerous and greatest tormentors of human race, in that the most robust
bodily anlage, the best regulated lifestyle, and the most vigorous energy of
the life force are not in a position to eradicate them

Best wishes,
Nader

[Nader Moradi]

Dear Shannon,

My understanding from Organon is that "Medicines" can affect human being
"Unconditionally" but "Natural Diseases or Miasms" affect organism
"Conditionally" ,namely, there must be a condition after that "Natural
diseases" can affect human being and can induce "confusion" in VF and
because of this "Confusion" VF reacts imperfectly and persistently to other
stimuli (exciting causes), This "Condition" is produced by improper Diet and
Hygiene and psychological and environmental stresses. But "partly psychical
and partly physical-inimical potencies" or "non-infectious agent" although
can affect organism " Conditionally" ( of course this condition is produced
by Chronic miasms) but they can not induce IMPERFECT, PERSISTENT reaction in
VF.

I Hope I could clarify my understanding of Organon.

Nader

[Piet Guijt]

Ardavan wrote:

So what made the human being susceptible to the miasms

Hi Ardavan,

When humans would live in harmony with their surrounding, there would be no
susceptibily and no disease.
This is according to Hahnemann, in the preface of the Organon, he writes
that an animal in his natural habitat will not become ill.(JW can you give
this quote again?)
But humans decide to go their own seperate individual way, instead of
following their higher purpose of life.
Humans go against their true essence, in other words: Suppress this, this
makes them susceptible to disease.
A bug does not cause or implant a miasm, but further suppression amplifies
the patterns that that preexists in every organism. This process
alreadystarted before the infection, but the additional suppression makes
it more clear and manifest.

Kind regards, Piet

[d_barbara_hamilton]

Hi Nader,

Am I understanding you correctly? Are you saying that everyone dies of 'disease' of
one sort or another, and that dying of 'natural causes' (in your sleep, say) is a
misnomer ? Maybe I've misunderstood ...

regards, Barbara

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[Shannon Nelson]

That sounds fine to me, altho I would quibble a bit... Below:
Tho it's not *really* "unconditional", because people are also affected
differently by medicines... Some have side-effects, others don't; a
medicine is "effective" for some but not for all, etc. I suppose what
he means is that, if you give a person/animal *enough* of a toxic
substance, they will eventually succumb, regardless of how healthy they
were initally? I am only guessing...
And yet, the historical record seems to say that there have been *some*
(very few) pathogens that have quickly killed everyone who came in
contact, regardless of their prior state of health. I trust you have
also read those descriptions? So in what way is this "conditional"?
This I don't understand... Effects of prolonged malnutrition or
toxicity will indeed bring on chronic disease, which would indeed
involve "imperfect, persistent reaction".

??
Shannon

[Ardavan Shahrdar]

Dear Joy,

If I summarize what you're saying, you believe that
without miasmatic influence, the range of adaptibility
of the human being is unlimited.

I cannot agree with you. 'Miasmatic influence' means
being infected by an infectious agent. So you believe
that without being infected by an infectious disease
(You may consider Psora as the basic infection), the
organism is not susceptible to any infection! This
cannot be logically comprehended. You may say that the
healthy (!) organism is only susceptible to Psora and
after this infection, the susceptibility increases.
But why??? Why there is only susceptibility to Psora
in a healthy person (without miasmatic influence)??
What forces us to build such theory with its
conditions?? Is this because of just one basic error
in the healthy organism?? If there is one error, why
not 2, 3, 4,... errors???? So what is the definition
of healthy??

The term 'healthy' and 'UNLIMITED range of
adaptibility' and 'No miasm, no susceptibility' cannot
be combined logically.

Why should we 'believe' that the human being from the
very first begining had an unlimited range of
adaptibility??? The simplest living creatures which
cannot be infected with anything else, and errors in
diet and lifestyle has no meaning in their context,
all have limited ranges of adaptibility. This
unlimited range, does not mean being imperfect and is
no insult to creation. It just means being ruled by a
specific fragile framework of creation which is
different in different living organisms. This
increased fragility is a feature of life. When
sensitivity increases, fragility is also somehow
increased.

A symptom free individual is still fragile and needs
'CARE'. 'CURE' is not enough!

Regards,

Ardavan
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[Ardavan Shahrdar]

Dear Barbara,

Thanks, I agree, but continuing the discussion in the
context of PNEI model will not help. Still the
underlying philosophical and logical questions
persists. Better not to complicate the discussion with
a reductionistic model.

Regards,

Ardavan
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[Ardavan Shahrdar]

Dear Nader,

I am not ignoring the important role of miasmatic
influence on the increased susceptibility of the
organism and also in the formation of chronic states
by stimulation of their latent and secondary forms. I
am just saying that the range of adaptibility in
limited even in the absence of chronic miasms.

We should not forget that we have consciously and
subconsciously chosen a regulated specific environment
to survive. Can we live in Mars, Nepton or Plute when
we are not infected by chroniuc miasms??? It is
simpler not to believe so!

When the range of adaptibility is limited, after
affection by an stress we may adapt, use compensatory
and defence mechanisms or die.

Regards,

Ardavan

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