Homeopathy!!

[Ardavan Shahrdar]

Dear Nader,

When I wrote 'He is comparing these forces to some
types of infections which he believed can affect the
organism unconditionally irrespective of the strength
of the organism to adapt. He has repeatedly mentioned
his idea that 'Psora' his proposed old infectious
disease can affect even the most robust constitutions
(in introduction to his 'Chronic Diseases....')', I
was referring to the following description of Psora by
Hahnemann and not the comparison of Natural and
Medicinal diseases in Aphorisms 32 and 33. I think
that using the word 'unconditionally' which is a
keyword in these 2 aphorisms, lead to this confusion.

"PSORA is that most ancient, most universal, most
destructive, and yet most misapprehended chronic
miasmatic disease which for many thousands of years
has disfigured and tortured mankind, and which during
the last centuries has become the mother of all the
thousands of incredibly various (acute and) chronic
(non-venereal) diseases, by which the whole civilized
human race on the inhabited globe is being more and
more afflicted. PSORA is the oldest miasmatic chronic
disease known to us. Just as tedious as syphilis and
sycosis, and therefore not to be extinguished before
the last breath of the longest human life, unless it
is thoroughly cured, since not even the most robust
constitution is able to destroy and extinguish it by
its own proper strength, Psora, or the Itch disease,
is beside this the oldest and most hydra-headed of all
the chronic miasmatic diseases. In the many thousands
of years during which it may have afflicted mankind, -
for the most ancient history of the most ancient
people does not reach to its origin, - it has so much
increased in the extent of its pathological
manifestations - an extent which may to some degree be
explained by its increased development during such all
inconceivable number of years in so many millions of
organisms through which it has passed, - that its
secondary symptoms are hardly to be numbered. And, if
we except those diseases which have, been created by a
perverse medical practice or by deleterious labors in
quicksilver, lead, arsenic, etc., which appear in the
common pathology under a hundred proper names as
supposedly separate and well-defined diseases (and
also those springing from syphilis and the still rarer
ones springing from sycosis), all the remaining
natural chronic diseases, whether with names or
without them, find in PSORA their real origin, their
only source……….PSORA has thus become the most
infectious and most general of all the chronic
miasmas. For the miasm has usually been communicated
to others before the one from whom it emanates has
asked for or received any external repressive remedy
against his itching eruption (lead-water, ointment of
the white precipitate of mercury), and without
confessing that he had an eruption of itch, often even
without knowing it himself; yea, without even the
physician's or surgeon's knowing the exact nature of
the eruption which has been repressed by the lotion of
lead, etc. It may well be conceived that the poorer
and lower classes, who allow the itch to spread on
their skin for a long time, until they become an
abomination to all around them and are compelled to
use something to remove it, must have in the meanwhile
infected many." (Introduction to Chronic Diseases -
Samuel Hahnemann"

Regards,

Ardavan
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[J Lucas]

I can only say that we all have the inability AND ability to fight, succumb,
tolerate etc all 'agents' that come our way and our individual way of doing
this is the perfect reflection of our susceptibility. When we are in the
'able' mode (the coping mode), each of us will develop all sorts of
compensatory reactions - that is part of the fight for survival.

But I still cannot see how one can be susceptible to morbid agents without
an underlying miasmatic influence. But thanks for trying anyway.

Best, Joy

http://www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
Dear Joy,

Do you mean that without chronic miasms, the organism
is never susceptible to stimuli to develop
compensatory reactions????

I believe in the fact that chronic miasms increase the
oragnism's susceptibility but this does not mean that
human being is not susceptible to morbid aganets
without chronic miasms. And if it is susceptible, one
of the 3 events may happen for any type of stimuli.

Regards,

Ardavan

[Piet Guijt]

Joy wrote to Ardavan;

But I still cannot see how one can be susceptible to morbid agents without

Hi Joy, all,

Because we are mortal and our vital force is therefore limited, not absolute
, we are susceptible to disease.
Psora, sycosis, syphilis is nothing more than a certain fundamental tendency
of the vital force to react.
Suppression of secondary infections doesn't introduce these patterns in the
organism.
Even without suppression our morbid vital force is limited, so virtually
chronic ill and never free from miasms.
Yes, I agree: no miasms, no suceptibility.

Kind regards, Piet

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Nader,

I'm confused by all the dissection. Is there a particular question
you're trying to answer? One reason he separates them is that they are
different, and arise from two different causes. He also states that
the one (medicinal disease) can be much more difficult and less sure to
treat than natural diseases. What else are you trying to establish?

Shannon

[d_barbara_hamilton]

Hello,

Sorry to butt in, but just thinking out loud here - how is one to KNOW whether there
was no susceptibility before miasms ? There is no way of knowing this, either way,
for sure.

regards, Barbara

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[Ardavan Shahrdar]

Dear Joy,

Let me ask a question!

Do you believe that a person not suffering from a
chronic infectious disease (chronic miasm) will never
be affected by low temperature resulting in frostbite
and possibly gangrene of toes??

If a person tortured physically and mentally for 6
months and not being infected by chronic miasms, will
be instantly ok after removal of the torture and will
not suffer from any chronic mental state after that
period of torture???

Is the range of adaptibility of the human being only
limited by miasmatic influence??

Regards,

Ardavan
"Life is beautiful, if you look at it in a beautiful way."

Dr Ardavan Shahrdar, MD, DIHom
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[Ardavan Shahrdar]

Dear Piet,

--- Piet Guijt wrote:
So what made the human being susceptible to the miasms
(infecious diseases)???

And if you believe (I do not!) that the 'basic'
susceptibility in human being is ONLY because of a
miasm shared in ALL individuals from the very begining
(as if being a part of the organism!), how can we ever
have a discussion about the relationship of these two
terms; 'susceptibility' and 'miasms'?? Our mind never
define the terms that ALWAYS accompany each other!

Regards,

Ardavan

"Life is beautiful, if you look at it in a beautiful way."

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President of Iranian Homeopathic Association
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[J Lucas]

My answers = ***

From: ashahrdar@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Homeopathy!!
Date: 11 March 2005 09:35:44 GMT
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Reply-To: minutus@yahoogroups.com

Dear Joy,

Let me ask a question!

Do you believe that a person not suffering from a
chronic infectious disease (chronic miasm) will never
be affected by low temperature resulting in frostbite
and possibly gangrene of toes??

***I would say that we all have some kind of chronic miasmatic influence
going on, lurking and one/s that can be excited into displaying sx, whether
they be of gangrene or anything else. Even when we are in a relatively
healthy state we can still observe miasmatic influence in our behaviours.

If a person tortured physically and mentally for 6
months and not being infected by chronic miasms, will
be instantly ok after removal of the torture and will
not suffer from any chronic mental state after that
period of torture???

***I have to give the same answer to this as well. Depending on the lurking,
inherited, genetically modified etc miamsatic influence that person will
display sx accordingly - this is their susceptibility.

Is the range of adaptibility of the human being only
limited by miasmatic influence??

***Yes I believe so and what comes our way in life sets in motion the
germination of our each and individual miasmatic influence and thus we can
observe the reactions to that. Best wishes, Joy

Regards,

Ardavan

[d_barbara_hamilton]

Hi Ardavan,

My thinking also; where did the first susceptibility arise possibly ? In trauma most
probably = weakened immune system. Check out psychneuroimmulogy sites - they
are confirming the same.

regards, Barbara

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[Simon King LCPH MARH]

This seems to me to be bordering on the Adam and Eve 'original sin'
theory of human imperfection - non?
Simon
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