Lac lup and Ol-j

[J Lucas]

Can anyone share any info regarding Lac lup and Ol-j regarding any possible
link with the following

sexual abuse/rape

absent menses specifically from being blamed/accused

breast cancer (I know Lac lup has an affinity to breast and uterus)

sexual identity issues

female hormones

I would be very grateful. Feel free to post privately or to the group.

Thanks in advance, Joy

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[Rochelle]

Dear Joy

The essence of Lac Lup from lectures with Melissa Assilem :-
This remedy shows wildness and someone that can't be contained. They are a free spirit with a passion for life. They are spontaneous, bold and refuse to compromise. They speak their own thoughts and are excellent communicators with voice and body language. They have this deep feeling that they want to belong to a clan. However they are quite happy being alone but do get ailments from abandonment. They have finely tuned senses and yearn to be in the wild, with nature. There is a desire for deep, meaningful relationships and they will only have sex if love is involved

I did a compare search. The first number after the rubric refers to Ol. j and the second to Lac Lup. I hope there is something here that is of use.

Rochelle
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RU; Female
Remedies: ol-j; lac-lup

1 abortion, miscarriage: (see atony of uterus, inertia uteri:) (169): 1, 0
2 abortion, miscarriage; tendency to: (76): 1, 0
3 leucorrhea: (see lochia:) (436): 2, 0
4 leucorrhea; yellow: (138): 2, 0
5 loc, ovaries: (see GENERALITIES; loc, glands; hormonal; reproductive system, of:) (285): 1, 1
6 loc, ovaries; right: (63): 0, 1
7 loc, uterus: (400): 0, 1
8 menses; absent, amenorrhea: (see MIND; mod, menses; suppressed, from:) (243): 2, 0
9 menses; absent, amenorrhea; cold, after: (9): 1, 0
10 menses; absent, amenorrhea; lungs, with complaints of: (3): 1, 0
11 menses; absent, amenorrhea; tuberculosis, in: (3): 1, 0
12 menses; frequent, too early, too soon: (see metrorrhagia:) (328): 2, 1
13 menses; frequent, too early, too soon; five days too early: (19): 0, 1
14 menses; irregular: (115): 2, 0
15 menses; painful, dysmenorrhea: (326): 2, 1
16 menses; profuse: (332): 2, 1
17 menses; profuse; protracted, and: (see menses; protracted, prolonged:) (112): 1, 0
18 menses; scanty: (231): 0, 1
19 mod, menses; after: (see GENERALITIES; mod, menses; after:) (121): 0, 1
20 pain: (415): 1, 1
21 pain; ovaries: (see loc, ovaries:) (220): 1, 1
22 pain; ovaries; right: (see loc, ovaries; right:) (54): 0, 1
23 pain; sharp: (see pain; stitching:) (28): 0, 1
24 pain; sharp; ovaries: (see loc, ovaries:) (18): 0, 1
25 pain; sore, bruised: (see excoriation:) (134): 1, 0
26 pain; sore, bruised; ovaries: (see loc, ovaries:) (65): 1, 0
27 pain; uterus: (see loc, uterus:) (258): 0, 1
28 pain; uterus; menses; after: (see mod, menses; after:) (12): 0, 1
29 sexual; desire; diminished: (see MIND; sex, gender, aversion to:) (91): 0, 1
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[J Lucas]

Dear Rochelle, thanks very much.

Can I ask you to explain or delve into (8)

2, 0

suppressed from what as far as any 'mind' sx - what might these be, can you
say?

best wishes, Joy

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[Rochelle]

Dear Joy,

The author is Hale Edwin M

I have searched the MM and from Hale (but which hale as there are 2 and it doesn't say!!) special symptomology I have found:-


@ Discharge of yellow matter from the womb, with weak back.
@@@@ Menstruation obstructed, from taking cold.
@ Menstruation premature or copious.
@ Soreness of both ovaries; dysmenorrhoea.


Fretful temper.
Talks about himself in the third person.
@ Sensation as if out of her mind.
There is also a Hale (which one!!) Therapeutics of new rx which I have quickly scanned through to find nothing on female or menses.
I think that is probably the best I can find for you. If you wish me to send you both MM from Hale I will do.
The only other Mind Sx I can find is Dreams of ghosts.
Regards

Rochelle
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[Robyn]

>
***Joy, in Hale, for Ol-j - these are the only references from 4 of his
books
Bleeding of nose when stooping, with amenorrhoea.

and

Menstruation obstructed, from taking cold.

This latter one is the one referred to in Rochelle's list with Mind, mod,
menses.

Here are some rubrics I found as well as the ones Rochelle has already
mentioned that may have some relevance to hormonal and identity confusion
LAC.LUP

Synthesis
MIND - DELUSIONS - body - state of his body, to the erroneous
FEMALE GENITALIA/SEX - MENSES - scanty
FEMALE GENITALIA/SEX - SEXUAL DESIRE - diminished

RU
MIND - PHENOMENA - DELUSIONS, imaginations - looked down upon, that she is
MIND - PHENOMENA - DELUSIONS, imaginations - repudiated - relatives, he is
repudiated by
MIND - PHENOMENA - DELUSIONS, imaginations - victim, she is a
MIND - PHENOMENA - DREAMS - identity, of lost
MIND - PHENOMENA - SENSITIVE, oversensitive - general - reprimands,
criticism, reproaches, to
GENERALITIES - LOCATION - GLANDS - hormonal - reproductive system, of

OL-J
Synthesis
MIND - DELUSIONS - identity - errors of personal identity
FEMALE GENITALIA/SEX - MENSES - absent

RU
GENERALITIES - LOCATION - GLANDS - hormonal - reproductive system, of
FEMALE - PHENOMENA - MENSES - absent, amenorrhea
There are not alot of symptoms to work from but there is a hormonal
connection.
Could find nothing for tumors of breast - only chest pain particularly
sternum.
Robyn
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[J Lucas]

Dear Robyn and Rochelle, thanks to both of you very much.

Both of these remedies have a delusion about their identity and/or state of
their body. Both remedies have hormonal dysfunction of some kind - possibly
both are related to Sepia as well.

Do either of you, or anyone one else, have a way of expanding on the
identity or bodily delusions.

Also Melissa Assilem (in Lac lup) gives the location as being breast and
uterus so I was really hoping for something to do with breast cancer. Is
there any reference to cancer at all?

Very interesting. Greatly appreciated, as will the client be if I get the
right remedy Best wishes, Joy

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on 16/10/04 10:03 pm, Robyn at folcook@dodo.com.au wrote:

[Rochelle]

Dear Joy
In Melissa's Proving notes I have written "Sore breasts , curative to breast lump Lac Can had improved but failed to resolve".

That's it really

Rochelle
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[Robyn]

Here's a bit more on Ol-j that you may not have
Ol-j

Hale - from EH

A growth of thin, short hair on chin and upper lip, where she had none
previous to use of Ol. Jec. (2 months.)

Analogues
[hl9 - Oleum jecoris aselli] Ampelopsis (?) Alnus (?), Arsenicum, Bromine,
Baptisia (?), Calcaria, Cistus, (Glyerine,) Iodine, Phosphorus,
(Hypophosphites of soda, lime etc.,) Spongia, Sulphur.
Mind
Fretful temper.
Talks about himself in the third person.
Sensation as if out of her mind.

Head
Dull aching pain in the forehead, also in the vertex.
Giddiness, everything turns black.
Headache in the forenoon, with vomiting and constant retching.
Steady aching pain from left to right temple.
0 Dry coryza and sneezing.
0 Fluent coryza, hoarseness and rawness of the chest.
0 Pain from occiput to forehead, with nausea.
0 Bursting headache after coughing, as if it would split open.
0 Aching pain about inner part of right eyebrow, as if in the periosteum.
Eyes
A flow of tears when walking in the open air, worse in the left.
Heaviness over the eyes; eyelids so heavy she can hardly raise them;
swelling of the lids.
Blackness and blindness before the eyes, with disposition to shut
them---during chill.
0 Aching pain in right eye, when using it.
0 Scrofulous ophthalmia. (Hale.)
Ears
0 Fetid discharge from the ears.
0 Marked deafness in left ear, and abscess in the right.
Nose
0 Dry coryza, cough and sneezing.
0 Bleeding of nose when stooping, with amenorrhoea.
0 Chronic catarrh and ozoena. (Hale.)
Face
Flushed face; burning of the face.
A growth of thin, short hair on chin and upper lip, where she had none
previous to use of Ol. Jec. (2 months.)
Mouth
Tongue coated yellow.
Parched feeling in mouth; constant thirst.
Soreness of the tongue after using the oil.
Throat
Soreness in the throat.
Tickling throat pit, after dinner, with couth. (vvvv.)
0 Great hoarseness. (chronic.)
0 Slight hoarseness in evening, worse next day.
0 Choking and oppressed feeling when lying down.
0 Chronic sore throat relieved, with expectoration of yellow mucus.
Taste and appetite
Loss of appetite, could not taste milk. (vv. twice verified.)
Nausea with thirst, and loss of appetite. (vv.)
Vomiting with bitter acid taste.
Stomach and abdomen
Great nausea and sickness of stomach. (vvv.)
Weight and oppression in pit of stomach. (v.)
Heat in region of stomach. (v.)
Pressive tensive pain in stomach.
Acid vomiting and purging with pain in stomach. (v.)
Vomiting of bile and mucus, with bitter and acid taste----after a chill.
Soreness and heaviness in region of liver, worse from pressure or exercise.
(vvvv.)
Beating pain in region of spleen, with bearing down pain in the side. (vv.)
Jerking, drawing pain in region of spleen, worse when breathing or
coughing. (v.)
Spasmodic pain in umbilical region.
0 Tabes mesenterica. (Hale.)
Stool and anus
Diarrhoea in the night and early morning.
Constipation, (vvv.) with burning of hands and feet (v.)----at times with
cold feet.
Urinary organs
Urine reddish, with pink sediment.
Soreness in region of kidneys.
Sexual organs
0 Discharge of yellow matter from the womb, with weak back
0000 Menstruation obstructed, from taking cold.
0 Menstruation premature or copious.
0 Soreness of both overies; dysmenorrhea.
Respiratory organs
Shortness of breath, with heavy beating of heart. (v)
Asthma continually increasing in violence. (v.)
Pain in right side, above and below scapula, arresting the breath. (vvvv.)
Pain in left side of chest, through to back, with cough and shortness of
breath. (vvvv.)
Pain at apex of (left?) scapula.
Sharp stitch in left side, (vv.) lasting some minutes.
Oppression and heat in chest. (vv.)
Stitch in right side during a long breath, lasting all day. (vv.)
Rheumatic pain in region of heart, also in muscles of chest. (vv.)
A sudden stitch in the heart.
Oppressive anxious beating of heart. (v.)
Soreness in chest and stomach, with cough---verified many times.
Weakness in the chest, with hard coughing spells in the morning. (vv.)
Sensation of excoriation in left chest, extending to the back. (vvv.)
Dry hacking cough. (vvv.)
Cough all night; palpitation of heart. (v.)
Tickling cough, in middle of upper chest, (trachea?) with palpitation of
heart. (v.)
Case 1. - Mrs. O., 36. A long-continued cough, with emaciation, loss of
strength and appetite. After many other remedies had failed, there was
excessive weakness, with expectoration of heavy bloody mucus. Teaspoonful
doses of Oleum Jec., pure, three times a day for three months, cured.
Case 2. - Mrs. F., 30. Severe cough, following exposure to cold, damp
weather, with yellowish expectoration at times. At other times, dry and
hacking after ineffectual use of Calc. Hypophos 2x, and other remedies. R
Oleum Jec. 1x (well shaken). Drop doses three times a day cured in a few
days.
Back and neck
Soreness all around the body to the back. (vv.)
Weakness and dull aching in sacral region, relieved by pressure. (vv.)
Soreness in region of kidneys, after exercise. (v.)
0 Soreness from back to chest.
0 Sharp heavy aching pain in lower spine.
0 Spinal irritation, sore to the touch.
0 A sensation of fluttering commences in region of sacrum, and gradually
ascends to the occiput. As it rises it affects the abdomen and chest, so
that she can move neither hand or foot.
Expectoration of yellow mucus. (vvvv.)
Expectoration of tough greenish-yellow phlegm, with saltish taste. (By
continuing the oil it became white.) (vvv.)
Expectoration of tough thin mucus in the morning. (vvv.)
Expectoration of thick white phlegm, with hard cough. (vv.)
White expectoration, with pain in side, worse when bending side inwards.
Spitting of blood. (v.)
00 Pain in upper part of chest when coughing.
00 Violent cough, with retching; night and day.
00 Burning heat in left chest through to back, with cough.
0 Loose cough, with yellowish expectoration.
0 Cough on raising the arm, with stitches.
0 Weakness in chest and back; more in left.
0 Haemoptysis. (Cured three cases.)
0 Soreness in centre of chest, with barking cough and aching between the
shoulders.
Fever
Flushes of heat. (v.)
Fever and heat over the whole body. (vvvv.)
Pulse very frequent, varying from 100 to 120. (vv.)
Great thirst; constant thirst.
Chill every evening (v.) for four days, with acid vomiting and diarrhoea.
(Relieved by Iris.)
A creeping sensation all over the body, with a rush of blood to the heart.
A tertian intermittent fever, returned four times, receding two hours each
time, and lasting two hours; chill passed down the back and around abdomen.
Relieved by Eup. perf.
Fever for two hours in the night, followed by a violent perspiration;
mainly on upper parts.
Flushes of heat with red face, heat in stomach, and fever all over to ends
of toes; lasting eight or ten hours.
Perspiration every night (v.) or all the time.
Chills and hectic fever, with beating pain in spleen.
Chilly at bedtime, followed by fever, oppression and heat of the chest.
Chill at three A.M. , lasting one hour, followed by fever; pulse from 100
to 120.
Chill in evening, afterwards fever and palpitation of heart.
0 Cold perspiration the whole day.
Case. - Lady, age 30, spare. Was constantly chilly, feeling as if she was
continually taking cold. A few drop doses of Oleum Jec. 1x cured.
Upper extremities
Burning heat in the palms of the hands, mostly at night. (verified by many
provings.)
Hands dry and parched, with heaviness over the eyes.
0 Continued aching and sore pain in the elbow and knee joints.
Lower extremities
Cold feet (ever since taking the oil.)
Soreness of the feet; abscess on left thigh.
0 Rheumatic pain in left foot.
0 White swelling of knees; scrofulous hip disease.
Sleep
Wakefulness and vivid dreams from the fever and excitement.
Less sleepy than usual, with night sweat.
Sleeplessness after 3 A.M. , with general prostration.
0 Dreams of seeing objects in the room during sleep.
Skin
Boil on right side of chest.
Abscess on the left thigh.
Generalities
A decided increase in strength and natural health. (vvv.)
She looked fatter and healthier in the face than before.
General lassitude and prostration of whole system. (v.)
She feels miserable, with great nervous irritation. (After tablespoonful
doses for weeks.)
The hot air is disagreeable to him.
0 It influences favorably the constitution of the blood; pale, anaemic
patients become, while taking it, rosy and plethoric. (Hale.)
0 It is especially useful in that condition of the system in which, with
generally lowered tone, there is a tendency to cellular hyperplasia, to the
formation of "exudations," composed of imperfectly developed cells, which,
in the majority of cases, from the very beginning are incapable of
development into perfect entities, having only one potential quality, that
of dying. (H. C. Wood.)
0 Scrofulosis, i.e. , a tendency to increase in the lymphatic glands; to
multiplication of their cellular elements, and the formation (1) of cheesy
deposits, a slow, fatty degeneration, with dessication; or, (2) a rapid,
fatty change, with abundance of moisture, resulting in pus and abscesses.
0 A condition of cellular hyperplasia, affecting the mucous membrane of the
air-passages. The patient, on the slightest occasion, suffers from catarrh,
until, finally, a multiplication of cells occurs so rapidly, as to fill up a
greater or less number of the air vesicles of the lungs, generally those of
the apex, causing one of those conditions known as " consumption." (Ib.)
0 In nearly all diseases, where we find combined, a condition marked by
weakness, emaciation, and anemia. (Hale.)
0 Diseases of the bones; scrofulous; chronic inflammations of the joints;
caries; necroses; abscesses. etc. (Wood.)
0 Defective nutrition, especially in children, where there is pallor, loss
of strength, emaciation, etc. (Hale.)
0 Chronic rheumatism, in cachectic, broken down constitutions.
0 Nervous affections, neuralgia, sciatica, lumbago, in emaciated and
anaemic persons, with deficiency of animal heat. (Ib.)
Conditions
Chill passes down the back and around the abdomen.
Pains move from before backwards, and from below upwards.
Pains are worse after exercise, in either side, predominantly the left,
through to the back.
Pains move from right to left, and from thence through to the back.
Cough worse when lying down, when laughing, or from a draught of air. (C.D.
Fairbanks.)
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