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Liz Lalor
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Re: Lord of The Rings fan and a homoeopath as well?

Post by Liz Lalor »

YES, YES that is the answer Frodo is Anacardium can I talk to your friend?
Gollum is Mancinella.


Shannon Nelson
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Re: Lord of The Rings fan and a homoeopath as well?

Post by Shannon Nelson »

It's a long time since i read the book, but I recall the Frodo was very
happy in his little Hobbitland, and rather looked askance at folks who did
questionable things such as have "adventures"! Tho there was just a little
bit of him that wondered... :-) I would vote for a nice, solid calc-c.
(At least at the moment I would...)

He loved the comforts of home, a good pipeful, and *lots* of good company
and good food -- preferrably five or six times a day! But he developed
those traits of courage and etc. simply because it was 'the right thing to
do"; thru his loyalty and generosity of spirit (aligned with "the big
picture"; the opposite of self-serving) he saw that this job *had* to be
done, and fate had handed it to him for the doing.

Calc-c does have that tubercular influence too; and we saw Frodo first
resisting this very undignified thing called "adventure", but then excited
about it in spite of himself. And I forget at the end whether he decided he
would have any more or not...

Shannon
on 9/22/04 3:24 PM, d_barbara_hamilton at d_barbara_hamilton@yahoo.co.uk
wrote:


Liz Lalor
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Re: Lord of The Rings fan and a homoeopath as well?

Post by Liz Lalor »

Yes and thankyou BUT even if tempted and seduced by the "evil" within the
Ring and even if seduced by the offer of power the Ring offers to each
individual something different.
To Boromir it is a fulfillment of Nux vomica, to Sam it is a Calcarea carb.
fearlessness "Sam, the Hero",
to the Anhalonium Galadriel it is immortality, which she rejects b/c she
also rejects from an Anh. need to do a greater good. To Gollum it is
protection from the world and he projects his obsessiveness on to the Ring
and he needs to be near it even if he is aware Frodo is on a journey to
destroy it. So even if tempted you still have to acknowledge that the Ring
is an "eye" that offers as Gandalf said to each Ring -bearer the power ONLY
according to their status. With all the corruption of intentions and hearts
you have to see the constitutional tendency to be corrupted in a particular
way FIRST that indicates the remedy.


Liz Lalor
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Re: Lord of The Rings fan and a homoeopath as well?

Post by Liz Lalor »

YES BUT
Frodo is an orphan and as a result of his Uncle Bilbo choosing to adopt and
favor him, Frodo is acknowledged within the shire as an important person.
Frodo has always longed for the adventures that Bilbo has bragged about and
recorded in Tolkien's first book The Hobbit, but he does not quite have the
adventurous spirit to drive him out of the safety of the shire. Frodo has
obviously needed emotionally to stay in the shire. Frodo is chosen because
he has a powerful need to prove himself and all the council can see if the
quest is to succeed it will require all the strength and power behind Frodo'
s need. Frodo is in an Anacardium state because the Ring has matched his
desire for acknowledgement and acceptance and thrown him into a "like"
Anacardium energy. Gandalf chooses Frodo because he is aware that if anyone
has the capacity to resist the power of the Ring as long as possible, it
will be the "good" [Kent] side of Anacardium within Frodo. Frodo is the only
one of the group who has one part of his nature that does not automatically
succumb to the evil of the Ring. Frodo is also the only one who has the
Miasmic drive within his personality to overcome the fearfulness of the
awesome task ahead of him. As Anacardium he has a good side which is able to
give strength and purpose to the quest to destroy the Ring. Anacardium has
an "angel" on one side, and a "Devil," on the other side. As Anacardium,
Frodo has a dark side which causes him not to choose at the end of the
journey to throw the Ring into the fires of Mount Doom. Frodo needs the
power of the Ring to bring importance and self confidence to a self that is
so devoid of the "I" within the self. Anacardium need recognition and fear
being ignored. "But Anacardium can be very hard and cruel, and at the same
time have a lack of self-confidence."[Sankaran].


andyh
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Re: Lord of The Rings fan and a homoeopath as well?

Post by andyh »

>

Hyos does have the scraping of the throat, as does stram, med others.

Delusion [sen] double/possessed [rem] avarice/selfishness [rem] throat
[2] scraping/clearing: acon.102, alum., 3Anac.139, bell., calc-p.,
carb-v., con., germ.222, hyos., lach.102, lyc., med., mosch., nat-m.,
petr., phos., 2plat.209, plb., posit., psor., puls., rhus-t., sil.,
stram.139, sulph.118, 3Thuj.36, valer., verat., zinc.209

)))) As for the more difficult Frodo, I hesitate re:anac, although when
Frodo almost kills Sam, it becomes believable (the "possessed" killing
of another, unfeeling because the operative is an invading being
exploiting the auric weakness, in this case brought on by possession of
the ring itself.) Anac is a strong possibility, I agree. Liz, your
discussing the ring as symbolically associated with the "I" is a very
good point, as the "eye" of Mordor is involved ( a spark gap kind of
light) which is destroyed when the ring is destroyed.

However, Frodo's remedy may be very difficult to find, as he is a
representative of "all". So the point of what his "original
corruption", or miasm is important as Liz paints nicely. Yet this
cannot be divorced from his fate, or curriculum, which is attracted by
his inner taints. He is mortally wounded in the heart by some
creature, at one point, yet lives anyway--this is akin to Chiron, the
wounded healer, or wounded king. Chiron is not itself half dark, but
is probably all light, so is the only energy which is contrapuntal to
the point of complete darkness (dark lord of Mordor).

Anac is possible, but I think Frodo may be more likely to be a plant rx
that is similar to anac, and wounded in the heart ((an (quiet);
cardium(heart)); but maybe not so black and white as that rx. He may
lapse into that state, but is that his true nature, and thus his rx?.

But the devil/Light temptation hits him more than any other of the
fellowship or anyone else. You may be right about anac. But is there
any other wounded rx like anac. that needs to be carried (eg by Sam at
the end on the slopes of Mt. Doom).

Your pointing out that Frodo is an orphan adopted by Bilbo is very
interesting (and forgotten by me)--was that in The Hobbit... Magnesium
is a metal that can create fire (it is used in survival fire starters),
and burns very bright. The ring is also metallic. Phosphorus (also
light, but very vulnerable to etheric influence and could relate to
heart/blood) could be indicative of Frodo's dimeanor (white skin, VERY
LARGE EYES (at least the movie version), needs to be carried). Then
Mag-p would incorporate an orphan (Mag-c) and a vulnerability (phos) in
a metallic/earth remedy which though would have to have a spasming
aspect. Could be considered if Frodo has to be a metallic/earth
remedy, a representative of middle earth carrying a metallic ring as a
Cross to bear on behalf of all his fellows in order to save the Shire
(obviously a paradise set in the english countryside of Celtic peaceful
villages, but reminiscent of the Lilliputians of Swift--the shorter
ones that step in). Maybe one of the other Magnesiums is also a
possibility. A wounded (phos) orphan (magnesium) healer (magnesium and
phos) who is an embodiment of the spasms of birth pangs of a liberated
middle earth (mag-phos) is a possible muse for Frodo Baggins.

Sam is his saviour and vehicle (Sam is incorruptible--does not succumb
when he takes the ring for safekeeping, gives it back without much of a
problem, I recall). Please expound a bit more on Calcarea as
"hero".... Sam (the fat hobbit says gollum) does seem like could be
calcarea. Has the best lot of all of them in a way, BUT must stay
behind when Gandalf and Frodo are given privilege to ascend from earth
and transcend physical existence as can be done by the elves
(symbolized by leaving by ship from the grey havens).
--What is Gandalf's rx?
--Saruman?
--The King who has become possessed whom Gandalf liberates from his
spell?
--Elrond, the chief of the elves (king of angels, possibly representing
Pleiades)?
(Aside-in the word mordor is "d'or", Reich's word for deadly orgone, or
toxic dark energy--and Reich may have published on that by the time
Tolkien got into writing the Hobbit, though not sure. The Fellowship
trilogy was published mid-late 50's, but the Hobbit was written far
earlier. Tolkien was a middle-english professor in the UK who also
translated Gawain and the Green Knight as a scholarly endeavor. The
Silmarillion (post trilogy) was a leading best seller the year it was
published. Somewhere have a file on Tolkien will post when find.)

By the way, Tolkien says that he essentially "channelled these
books"--by saying he was compelled to write it and write it as it was
"...I could do no other", he said.

Best,
A


Hennie Duits
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Re: Lord of The Rings fan and a homoeopath as well?

Post by Hennie Duits »

This probably has little to do with homeopathy, but from the way I read it
(p. 288, last page of 'The Council of Elrond): Frodo took on the job by
'order' of both a power beyond his knowledge and, *maybe*, by a feeling
like: the job needed to be done and not one of the 'great and noble ones'
present were likely to do it.
I *do* feel for Anacardium (and various others) but I fail to 'read' the
urge to 'manifest' himself for Frodo. I'm inclined to think he has become
one of the main characters without really wanting to be that, himself. I do
think that at least some of the real 'wise ones' had been seeing/judging
him, by some unspoken foresight, as the most likely candidate to do what
needed to be done, and when it came to it, he answered to that unspoken
'call'.

I'm no sure this is the way things happen in the real world, but I would not
object it if it would.

Hennie


Liz Lalor
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Re: Lord of The Rings fan and a homoeopath as well?

Post by Liz Lalor »

Yes but why would he be willing to take on the job? Throughout the
Fellowship there are numerous references to Frodo having been percieved by
Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel as having a strength and characteristic that
would be able to complete the quest.


Liz Lalor
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Re: Lord of The Rings fan and a homoeopath as well?

Post by Liz Lalor »

1. Plant Yes but the remedy has to be a Cancer miasm?
If you use a Sankaran chart it fits the miasmic drive to succeed and push
on.
2. Yes in the Hobbit and the Fellowship Bibbo and Gandalf and the two
friends also refer to Frodo and why they think he stayed in the Shire,
obviously I have devoured every line but I have tried not to let their
obsessiveness overcome me ( joke)
3. In the book Frodo is already middle-aged! The movie is not a true visual
record. I see where you are coming from with the mag. BUT Frodo has a strong
cancer miasm with an outstanding drive and an outstanding "good" side that
tries hard to resist the temptation of the Ring.
4. I do explain Sam more I wanted to see what feedback I got and I obviously
did not want to post too much b/c I want to publish it but it has been
wonderful to see the minds of homoeopaths all ticking away and it is great
as well as fun thankyou Andy.
5. Gandalf ? but Galadriel is Anhalonium.
Gandalf is hard b/c he is a very idolized character and I think Tolkien tied
and projected a lot of his own personality into the Gandalf persona so it is
not a full enough persona to get a true homoeopathic analyse but that is
just me opinion.


J Lucas
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Re: Lord of The Rings fan and a homoeopath as well?

Post by J Lucas »

Andy has this spot on regarding Frodo - he is 'all', he is the loyal
soldier, although specially chosen (and this is a concept that many who are
fighting for their country feel good about), he had no choice about his
mission, he WAS full of fear, he also faced temptation but managed to
overcome this, nearly died, naively or not he looked upon Gollum as a
guiding light (Sam saw through this) but his loyal intentions saw him
through to the bitter end. Frodo represents many who face 'war' (one reason
for the book's existence). As Andy says, wounded in the heart - a high price
for loyalty, but he lives.

This is not the diseased state of Anacardium which has at its core internal
conflicts but they do not emerge in the way that Frodo is represented, imho.

His endurance and utter loyalty along with mortal asides (temptation and
near death) has to be part of his remedy. What is the most 'suffering and
loyal' rx in the MM?

Mancinella for Gollum? Very interesting, Weak and easily influenced
especially by evil. Nervy, quick and hurried. It too has internal conflicts
- sanity versus insanity. Their devil doesn't always merge with the self, it
is often at a distance but quite near by, terrifying them whenever possible.
Usually someone (or something) that is known to them. But there is usually a
sexual connotation involved somewhere and although the devil might be a
force which incites greed and temptation I am not sure how this is seen in
Mancinella.

Best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 23/9/04 12:27 am, andyh at andyh@mcn.org wrote:

edited

However, Frodo's remedy may be very difficult to find, as he is a
representative of "all". So the point of what his "original
corruption", or miasm is important as Liz paints nicely. Yet this
cannot be divorced from his fate, or curriculum, which is attracted by
his inner taints. He is mortally wounded in the heart by some
creature, at one point, yet lives anyway--this is akin to Chiron, the
wounded healer, or wounded king. Chiron is not itself half dark, but
is probably all light, so is the only energy which is contrapuntal to
the point of complete darkness (dark lord of Mordor).
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Liz Lalor
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Re: Lord of The Rings fan and a homoeopath as well?

Post by Liz Lalor »

Joy if you consider what Sankaran has written about Anacardium in The Soul
of Remedies are you really sure about Anacardium being in a diseased state
ALL of the time?. The basic premise is that within Anac. is a continual
choice over whether to be good or evil. Sankaran says a lot of Anac.
actually turn to Buddhism early on in their lives precisely to keep the
devil in tow. With all the so called 'crazy' remedies within homoeopathy it
has for too long been assumed they are crazy ALL the time it is no different
to the unhealthy states of a Nat mur. A Nat mur will ONLY move into those
states under a particular set of circumstances. It is the same for Anac. as
well as Mancinella. When Kent writes about Anac. he is writing about an
Anac. when they are unwell. With all constitutional states you have to see
behind either the unhealthy or healthy state the THEME of both state that
always relates and reflects the "like" state of what is emotionally amd
mentally and physically running through the picture.Even an Anac. does
actually have a healthy state and that is something that is forgotten in the
concentration on the pictures as described by Kent. Sankaran says of Anac.
that "a compensated Anacardium cannot be cruel even when the situation
demands." They do have "two wills" and they are able to choose.
Mancinella does have the devil always there in terms of how much they need
and rely on a whole series of OCD habits to superstitiously protect them
from the outer and inner world. Gollums need of the Ring has to be
considered in relation to the needs of a person with OCD. liz


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