While everybody has fun watching the New Olympics of Pissing Contest, I would like to give my personal experience of email consultations.
In the last 3 years, I had about 30 patients, mostly overseas, who for some reason decided that I was the only one who could help them (go figure....) and were adamant at having email consultations.
As Dave correctly mentioned, there were always many things missing: first impressions, way the patient parks his car (I look at this too....), way of walking, dress, tone of voice, odours, colours of dress, use of words, reaction to questions or to provocative words, etc,.... we all know that.
Nevertheless, especially in physical, organic pathology or functional problems, with some probing, a first, second and more prescriptions, often successful, were possible.
But when the deep seated problems came to the surface, even with total honesty from the patient (and indeed it is often easier to write about very sensitive problems than to speak about them in person, face to face) there has often been "something" missing that made the final prescription(s) difficult or impossible.
In one case, it was the emotional outburst of one patient to a totally unfair situation, written in haste, ander and despair and sent to me as a friend and not as a therapist that allowed me to get to the remedy. Reviewing the case later on, I do believe I would have zeroed in a lot earlier had that patient been in front of me and not on the other side of Earth.
So, my experience is that it is possible to have a valid consultation through email, but very difficult to get to the bottom of the case. It should be used only in cases where there is no other option at all.
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"
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Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD
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muthu kumar
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Dr.Rozencwajg-
I agree with your comments in general. My understanding of this is -
when provings were done - provers diaries had the record of the
symptoms produced. Whether the prover came in person or not- the
proving still is valid even if the patient mails the proving records.
We still would consider the list a valid list and add this to the
pathogenetic symptom list. If the drug symptoms sent thus can be
part of a remedy picture why cannot such symptoms be clear enough for
us to get the remedy from such a description? Of course as you say
not all cases can be dealt with like that... but still if the patient
can describe the condition in a way that a full symptom with location
sensation modalities and concomitants can be found then we can find
the correct remedy.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Dr.J Rozencwajg" wrote:
Contest, I would like to give my personal experience of email
consultations.
for some reason decided that I was the only one who could help them
(go figure....) and were adamant at having email consultations.
first impressions, way the patient parks his car (I look at this
too....), way of walking, dress, tone of voice, odours, colours of
dress, use of words, reaction to questions or to provocative words,
etc,.... we all know that.
functional problems, with some probing, a first, second and more
prescriptions, often successful, were possible.
total honesty from the patient (and indeed it is often easier to
write about very sensitive problems than to speak about them in
person, face to face) there has often been "something" missing that
made the final prescription(s) difficult or impossible.
totally unfair situation, written in haste, ander and despair and
sent to me as a friend and not as a therapist that allowed me to get
to the remedy. Reviewing the case later on, I do believe I would have
zeroed in a lot earlier had that patient been in front of me and not
on the other side of Earth.
consultation through email, but very difficult to get to the bottom
of the case. It should be used only in cases where there is no other
option at all.
I agree with your comments in general. My understanding of this is -
when provings were done - provers diaries had the record of the
symptoms produced. Whether the prover came in person or not- the
proving still is valid even if the patient mails the proving records.
We still would consider the list a valid list and add this to the
pathogenetic symptom list. If the drug symptoms sent thus can be
part of a remedy picture why cannot such symptoms be clear enough for
us to get the remedy from such a description? Of course as you say
not all cases can be dealt with like that... but still if the patient
can describe the condition in a way that a full symptom with location
sensation modalities and concomitants can be found then we can find
the correct remedy.
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "Dr.J Rozencwajg" wrote:
Contest, I would like to give my personal experience of email
consultations.
for some reason decided that I was the only one who could help them
(go figure....) and were adamant at having email consultations.
first impressions, way the patient parks his car (I look at this
too....), way of walking, dress, tone of voice, odours, colours of
dress, use of words, reaction to questions or to provocative words,
etc,.... we all know that.
functional problems, with some probing, a first, second and more
prescriptions, often successful, were possible.
total honesty from the patient (and indeed it is often easier to
write about very sensitive problems than to speak about them in
person, face to face) there has often been "something" missing that
made the final prescription(s) difficult or impossible.
totally unfair situation, written in haste, ander and despair and
sent to me as a friend and not as a therapist that allowed me to get
to the remedy. Reviewing the case later on, I do believe I would have
zeroed in a lot earlier had that patient been in front of me and not
on the other side of Earth.
consultation through email, but very difficult to get to the bottom
of the case. It should be used only in cases where there is no other
option at all.
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Dave Hartley
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Re: Email consultations, was ADDICTION ALCOHOL
You wrote:
but still if the patient
can describe the condition in a way that a full symptom with location
sensation modalities and concomitants can be found then we can find
the correct remedy.
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I've heard that it is not uncommon in India for a client to reel off a
perfectly completed symptom ala Boenninghausen (location, sensation,
modification, concomitant)
In most of the people I've seen, there is some difficulty in
establishing such a concordance even under patient & careful cross
examination, with clients unable to express whether a sensation is
pinching, stitching, boring, etc., and VERY seldom aware of any concept
such as extension or concomitant, and therefore often lacking in any
self observations of such.
I can agree that in some instances, and especially if there is NO OTHER
OPTION, a long-distance case might be solved -as Dr. J outlines, or as
you mention via Boenninhausen "method" -but by-and-large it doesn't do
homeopathy justice to promote vending-machine email homeopathy.
David Hartley www.holistiq.com
San Francisco EastBay (510)776-5914
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but still if the patient
can describe the condition in a way that a full symptom with location
sensation modalities and concomitants can be found then we can find
the correct remedy.
===========
I've heard that it is not uncommon in India for a client to reel off a
perfectly completed symptom ala Boenninghausen (location, sensation,
modification, concomitant)
In most of the people I've seen, there is some difficulty in
establishing such a concordance even under patient & careful cross
examination, with clients unable to express whether a sensation is
pinching, stitching, boring, etc., and VERY seldom aware of any concept
such as extension or concomitant, and therefore often lacking in any
self observations of such.
I can agree that in some instances, and especially if there is NO OTHER
OPTION, a long-distance case might be solved -as Dr. J outlines, or as
you mention via Boenninhausen "method" -but by-and-large it doesn't do
homeopathy justice to promote vending-machine email homeopathy.
David Hartley www.holistiq.com
San Francisco EastBay (510)776-5914
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