Medorrhinum [was: Why Nosodes Banned Germany]
Re: Medorrhinum [was: Why Nosodes Banned Germany]
In einer eMail vom 06.07.04 16:59:59 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
shannonnelson@tds.net:
<< I understand what you are saying, and I believe you are quite mistaken.
E.g. Dr. Morrison does *not* say "phos may change into ph-ac or sepia"; he
says that phos may *look* like ph-ac or sepia -- in other words, you may be
*fooled* into thinking the pt needs one of these, but what s/he needs is
actually phos.
Hahnemann's and Schmidt's entries of phos into the rubrics re "averse
company"/"better alone" are *not* about remedies that a formerly phos
patient may have "turned into"; they describe states that *may call for
phos*, even tho they may *look* like e.g. ph-ac or sepia (or etc.).
So, in continuing to insist that "Ph is always in company", "is by
definition friendship, warmth, association..." and etc., you are arguing not
only with me but with Hahnemann, and with the others I have quoted, and with
many others whose record you may find if you choose to be openminded enough
to look.
I have nothing more to add on the subject. If your comfortingly tidy view of
prescribing serves you adequately, then there is no need to trouble yourself
by hearing or reading any further, so I will leave you to it.
Best wishes,
Shannon
7.7.4.
We already had a dispute on the theme "one man=one remedy" and that there is
no such thing. It is an idea which was thought to be right but was proven
wrong. However, unfortunately, it is still propagated by some homeopaths.
Constitutions evolve from early childhood to the old patient, way through. There are
many firmly established developments : Ca-ca-Lycopodium or Ph-Ca-ph or
Pulsatilla-Sepia, Ph-Carcinosynum, Ph-Graphites, Ph-Aurum, to name just a few.
Phosphoricum Acidum develops only from Ph as such in the conditions already mentioned.
Besides, there are always several "layers", so, Sepia (which alone includes 5
undergroups - how complex!) may appear as Sepia but also as Ph or Na-mur or
Pulsatilla in the first place, needing Sepia as such only after the second
prescription. THIS is what I meant. We discussed intensively on this 2-3 month ago
in this forum.
You can not be fooled by a case like this : if he needs Phosphor, he gets it
in the first place and after the second interview he may need Sepia or not,
which probably is the constitutional remedy in this case and so on. As I already
mentioned several times before, the most mistakes are made with the SECOND
prescription and not with the first one, exactly due to this interpretation of
the changes happened in between, this "wilderness of mirrors".
If the patient gets Ph but he is Sepia - often combination - what will we
find when he comes to the second interview? and so on ...
Sepia is also a remedy with loneliness but so many other specific symptoms
that a confusion is actually not possible.
I am not arguing with anybody but stick to my opinion confirmed thousands of
times in day-to-day practice : Ph is sociable and NEEDS friends, probably the
most sociable of them all, otherwise he does not feel good and suffers. In his
clique he is always a follower, not the leader, but he can not exist without
this clique. He will seek the clicque. Na-mur and Sepia do have loneliness
(like heavy metals, for ex.) and they do not want to be comforted when feeling
bad (they hate it actually), while Ph ALWAYS needs comfort from another person
when feeling bad or when hurt, he is just craving for it and then ALWAYS feels
better. This is a main phosphoric feature as the one with the sleep I
mentioned yesterday. Ph children do weep on the spot when being admonested by their
parents and then just giving them a hug or short lovely comfort or petting, they
start smiling on the spot and forgot everything in a matter of seconds. There
are several central features (among the more than 4000 symptoms) making Ph
distinction very clear.
Ph is the kind of person almost always laughing, bright, friendly face, when
entering the room bringing in a fresh and friendly atmosphere. I can not
mention them all here.
There is no book to be called a bible except the Organon 6-th edition which
is something else. Everything else is subject to dispute and many, many things
proved to be wrong along the time. So the knowledge is always a mixture of as
many books and as many opinions as possible plus the own experience. ALL this,
suma sumarum, suggests to me what I have written to you. Kind regards,
Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).
shannonnelson@tds.net:
<< I understand what you are saying, and I believe you are quite mistaken.
E.g. Dr. Morrison does *not* say "phos may change into ph-ac or sepia"; he
says that phos may *look* like ph-ac or sepia -- in other words, you may be
*fooled* into thinking the pt needs one of these, but what s/he needs is
actually phos.
Hahnemann's and Schmidt's entries of phos into the rubrics re "averse
company"/"better alone" are *not* about remedies that a formerly phos
patient may have "turned into"; they describe states that *may call for
phos*, even tho they may *look* like e.g. ph-ac or sepia (or etc.).
So, in continuing to insist that "Ph is always in company", "is by
definition friendship, warmth, association..." and etc., you are arguing not
only with me but with Hahnemann, and with the others I have quoted, and with
many others whose record you may find if you choose to be openminded enough
to look.
I have nothing more to add on the subject. If your comfortingly tidy view of
prescribing serves you adequately, then there is no need to trouble yourself
by hearing or reading any further, so I will leave you to it.
Best wishes,
Shannon
7.7.4.
We already had a dispute on the theme "one man=one remedy" and that there is
no such thing. It is an idea which was thought to be right but was proven
wrong. However, unfortunately, it is still propagated by some homeopaths.
Constitutions evolve from early childhood to the old patient, way through. There are
many firmly established developments : Ca-ca-Lycopodium or Ph-Ca-ph or
Pulsatilla-Sepia, Ph-Carcinosynum, Ph-Graphites, Ph-Aurum, to name just a few.
Phosphoricum Acidum develops only from Ph as such in the conditions already mentioned.
Besides, there are always several "layers", so, Sepia (which alone includes 5
undergroups - how complex!) may appear as Sepia but also as Ph or Na-mur or
Pulsatilla in the first place, needing Sepia as such only after the second
prescription. THIS is what I meant. We discussed intensively on this 2-3 month ago
in this forum.
You can not be fooled by a case like this : if he needs Phosphor, he gets it
in the first place and after the second interview he may need Sepia or not,
which probably is the constitutional remedy in this case and so on. As I already
mentioned several times before, the most mistakes are made with the SECOND
prescription and not with the first one, exactly due to this interpretation of
the changes happened in between, this "wilderness of mirrors".
If the patient gets Ph but he is Sepia - often combination - what will we
find when he comes to the second interview? and so on ...
Sepia is also a remedy with loneliness but so many other specific symptoms
that a confusion is actually not possible.
I am not arguing with anybody but stick to my opinion confirmed thousands of
times in day-to-day practice : Ph is sociable and NEEDS friends, probably the
most sociable of them all, otherwise he does not feel good and suffers. In his
clique he is always a follower, not the leader, but he can not exist without
this clique. He will seek the clicque. Na-mur and Sepia do have loneliness
(like heavy metals, for ex.) and they do not want to be comforted when feeling
bad (they hate it actually), while Ph ALWAYS needs comfort from another person
when feeling bad or when hurt, he is just craving for it and then ALWAYS feels
better. This is a main phosphoric feature as the one with the sleep I
mentioned yesterday. Ph children do weep on the spot when being admonested by their
parents and then just giving them a hug or short lovely comfort or petting, they
start smiling on the spot and forgot everything in a matter of seconds. There
are several central features (among the more than 4000 symptoms) making Ph
distinction very clear.
Ph is the kind of person almost always laughing, bright, friendly face, when
entering the room bringing in a fresh and friendly atmosphere. I can not
mention them all here.
There is no book to be called a bible except the Organon 6-th edition which
is something else. Everything else is subject to dispute and many, many things
proved to be wrong along the time. So the knowledge is always a mixture of as
many books and as many opinions as possible plus the own experience. ALL this,
suma sumarum, suggests to me what I have written to you. Kind regards,
Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).
Re: Medorrhinum [was: Why Nosodes Banned Germany]
In einer eMail vom 07.07.04 06:00:02 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
hahnemannian2002@yahoo.com:
<< I would never say that Homeopathy is simple or I have understood it
the way Dr.Bucur probably has. I have always depended upon the
patient to give me a clue. I do not subscribe to the principle of
there being "one REMEDY to rule them all"( like the "Lord of the
Rings") for all cases. May be in some cases there is. But not always
and not for all scenarios.
In the same vein I always think like Shrek does "Ogres are like
onions. They have layers". Patients current symptom picture may give
rise to another picture and we should be able to follow it up then. I
would never think that Sil should definitely develop after Puls.
I used to practise in India before I moved to US. In India lots of
times the patient may not come to you. Somebody from the family might
be the only one you get to see. Esp. if you practise with poor
patients where all family members do not have the money to make the
to and fro journey. You just work with what you get. And most of the
time it is sufficient. May be it is a key note; it is a causation; it
is a single PQRS.
In a weekly journal they used to have a "Prayer" column where they
publish desperate cases and ask the readers to pray for them. I used
to send free medicines for them wherever I felt Homeopathy could do
anything. This is a child about 4 years old and parents said that the
child fell from cot and hit its head and this is the causation that
they ascribed to the condition (very poor family; parents illiterate
and could write only a few sentences with limited vocabulary).They
have gone the rounds to various hospitals and the doctors could not
help them. The doctors opined that even if the child could hear a
little they could help.
Knerr gives - for hearing deafness from concussion of brain - Arn;
from concussion of brain esp. in the auditory region - Chin.sulph.
Even though Arnica is also indicated I thought what with China's
predominant action in hearing and there being no other effects of the
injury per se ( so that we can assume the injury had been specific to
hearing area)I could give Chin.sulph. And it worked. Within 3 weeks
the child started responding to parents calling him, was trying to
mouth words and calling Mommy. You cannot imagine the joy of the
parent in his letter to me. This was 20 years back. I lost touch with
them after that and they wanted to pursue the treatment with ENT
specialists to see if they could help speed the process.
Lachesis is a 75 year old, very healthy farmer who had to come to the
city for a surgery for bilateral inguinal hernia. Routine pre-
operative check up showed one non-functioning kidney (left), elevated
BP and Urea. Right kidney had stones and close to going for hydro
nephrosis. Patient had pyelography done. He refused to come to any
doctor after that. The son came to get medicines from me. The son
said that his father had been very healthy, had worked in his farm
till the last day before he came to the city. The only problem he had
( apart from hernia of course) was the day after the dye was
injected for the tests. He had tremors of the tongue esp. in the
morning after waking for 2 days. I prescribed based mainly on that.
Lachesis 30 1 dose. The next day morning I got a phone from the son
that his father has got the " same tongue problem now ". We waited.
In 3 days time his BP came down and urea levels were normal. I do not
believe this myself. Of course the patient never wanted another test
done after that and immediately went back to his village.
For me - the one thing my patients have taught me is to have an open
mind; always- period. I have never assumed that I know the medicine
without referring to repertories and studying the case whatever the
symptom / sign presented. There may be people capable of doing this.
I am not one of them.
And I mostly do not subscribe to any of the new "theories" that seem
to explain CAUSE of disease which theorizing Hahnemann has expressly
spoken against. I do not care if the primary delusion is what is
causing all the problems. There is no end to theorizing. If olden day
homeopaths could do wonders with so many acute diseases and life
threatening situations without theories like "Delusions" I do not
know why we cannot. And I can never say that I gave the correct
medicine till I see the results. And sincerely I do not think any one
really can. That is the beauty of homeopathy. Homeopathy being a
systemic medicine can only perturb a system ie; patient's state. The
simillimum is capable of the best perturbance but even other similar
medicines perturb to varying degrees which we have seen in practice –
the partial simillimum. But what this perturbance can lead to -
depends on the patient's complete SYSTEM (which sometimes includes
even the society where the patient lives), we DO NOT AND CANNOT
CONTROL all of that. We are only "perturbers". We strive to shake the
boat the best. This is my take on the whole system. This is the
reason other systems also work whether it is Ayurveda or Naturopathy
or Herbalism.
7.7.4.
Thank you in the first place.
In the second : for dump skull trauma with residual symptoms even years
after, also Na-sulph is good. I personally agree with the rest written. Cases were
interesting.
The Lachesis case was probably only in the first "onion-layer", at least to
me. I suppose something else still is behind. It smells of Lycopodium except
the farming work, unless this was not physical but intelectual.
Lachesis is improbable in men and has always to do with a hell of a lot of
sex, bad and real mean character, left-sidedness as well as with the
menstruation - plus the rest : headaches, "free" neck, extreme logorrhea, etc.
So I am not that convinced unless, as mentioned, Lachesis was only the first
step and something else lies behind. It will be worth going on.
Kind regards, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).
hahnemannian2002@yahoo.com:
<< I would never say that Homeopathy is simple or I have understood it
the way Dr.Bucur probably has. I have always depended upon the
patient to give me a clue. I do not subscribe to the principle of
there being "one REMEDY to rule them all"( like the "Lord of the
Rings") for all cases. May be in some cases there is. But not always
and not for all scenarios.
In the same vein I always think like Shrek does "Ogres are like
onions. They have layers". Patients current symptom picture may give
rise to another picture and we should be able to follow it up then. I
would never think that Sil should definitely develop after Puls.
I used to practise in India before I moved to US. In India lots of
times the patient may not come to you. Somebody from the family might
be the only one you get to see. Esp. if you practise with poor
patients where all family members do not have the money to make the
to and fro journey. You just work with what you get. And most of the
time it is sufficient. May be it is a key note; it is a causation; it
is a single PQRS.
In a weekly journal they used to have a "Prayer" column where they
publish desperate cases and ask the readers to pray for them. I used
to send free medicines for them wherever I felt Homeopathy could do
anything. This is a child about 4 years old and parents said that the
child fell from cot and hit its head and this is the causation that
they ascribed to the condition (very poor family; parents illiterate
and could write only a few sentences with limited vocabulary).They
have gone the rounds to various hospitals and the doctors could not
help them. The doctors opined that even if the child could hear a
little they could help.
Knerr gives - for hearing deafness from concussion of brain - Arn;
from concussion of brain esp. in the auditory region - Chin.sulph.
Even though Arnica is also indicated I thought what with China's
predominant action in hearing and there being no other effects of the
injury per se ( so that we can assume the injury had been specific to
hearing area)I could give Chin.sulph. And it worked. Within 3 weeks
the child started responding to parents calling him, was trying to
mouth words and calling Mommy. You cannot imagine the joy of the
parent in his letter to me. This was 20 years back. I lost touch with
them after that and they wanted to pursue the treatment with ENT
specialists to see if they could help speed the process.
Lachesis is a 75 year old, very healthy farmer who had to come to the
city for a surgery for bilateral inguinal hernia. Routine pre-
operative check up showed one non-functioning kidney (left), elevated
BP and Urea. Right kidney had stones and close to going for hydro
nephrosis. Patient had pyelography done. He refused to come to any
doctor after that. The son came to get medicines from me. The son
said that his father had been very healthy, had worked in his farm
till the last day before he came to the city. The only problem he had
( apart from hernia of course) was the day after the dye was
injected for the tests. He had tremors of the tongue esp. in the
morning after waking for 2 days. I prescribed based mainly on that.
Lachesis 30 1 dose. The next day morning I got a phone from the son
that his father has got the " same tongue problem now ". We waited.
In 3 days time his BP came down and urea levels were normal. I do not
believe this myself. Of course the patient never wanted another test
done after that and immediately went back to his village.
For me - the one thing my patients have taught me is to have an open
mind; always- period. I have never assumed that I know the medicine
without referring to repertories and studying the case whatever the
symptom / sign presented. There may be people capable of doing this.
I am not one of them.
And I mostly do not subscribe to any of the new "theories" that seem
to explain CAUSE of disease which theorizing Hahnemann has expressly
spoken against. I do not care if the primary delusion is what is
causing all the problems. There is no end to theorizing. If olden day
homeopaths could do wonders with so many acute diseases and life
threatening situations without theories like "Delusions" I do not
know why we cannot. And I can never say that I gave the correct
medicine till I see the results. And sincerely I do not think any one
really can. That is the beauty of homeopathy. Homeopathy being a
systemic medicine can only perturb a system ie; patient's state. The
simillimum is capable of the best perturbance but even other similar
medicines perturb to varying degrees which we have seen in practice –
the partial simillimum. But what this perturbance can lead to -
depends on the patient's complete SYSTEM (which sometimes includes
even the society where the patient lives), we DO NOT AND CANNOT
CONTROL all of that. We are only "perturbers". We strive to shake the
boat the best. This is my take on the whole system. This is the
reason other systems also work whether it is Ayurveda or Naturopathy
or Herbalism.
7.7.4.
Thank you in the first place.
In the second : for dump skull trauma with residual symptoms even years
after, also Na-sulph is good. I personally agree with the rest written. Cases were
interesting.
The Lachesis case was probably only in the first "onion-layer", at least to
me. I suppose something else still is behind. It smells of Lycopodium except
the farming work, unless this was not physical but intelectual.
Lachesis is improbable in men and has always to do with a hell of a lot of
sex, bad and real mean character, left-sidedness as well as with the
menstruation - plus the rest : headaches, "free" neck, extreme logorrhea, etc.
So I am not that convinced unless, as mentioned, Lachesis was only the first
step and something else lies behind. It will be worth going on.
Kind regards, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).
Re: Medorrhinum [was: Why Nosodes Banned Germany]
In einer eMail vom 06.07.04 17:38:29 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
shannonnelson@tds.net:
<< Could also be Med (per rubric "handles genitals") and also several other
remedies. Once again, single symptom needs to be evaluated in context of
the whole case and it is useful to consult a repertory to bring more
possibilities to mind.
7.6.4.
Yes, it can be Tarantula as well, etc., however it is a MAIN sign for
Stramonium (like the shower thing and the fear of shiny water surfaces) in children
or at least a hint to this family - Belladonna/Hioscyamus/Stramonium, if other
information not available in the first place. (Decompensated Stramonium cases
for ex. get extremely anxious even seeing a calendar on the wall with a
picture of a lake or sea or so.)
So, as I already narrated from my own experience, if you are invited to
friends for dinner and you spot one of their children playing with his hand in the
trousers all the time (not in the pocket, but in the trousers) despite all the
guests and persons being around, the first thought should be this one.
Medorrhinum in children starts with severe diseases at early age, unsuitable
severe for this age. Kind regards, Dr.medic.Viorel V.Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).
shannonnelson@tds.net:
<< Could also be Med (per rubric "handles genitals") and also several other
remedies. Once again, single symptom needs to be evaluated in context of
the whole case and it is useful to consult a repertory to bring more
possibilities to mind.
7.6.4.
Yes, it can be Tarantula as well, etc., however it is a MAIN sign for
Stramonium (like the shower thing and the fear of shiny water surfaces) in children
or at least a hint to this family - Belladonna/Hioscyamus/Stramonium, if other
information not available in the first place. (Decompensated Stramonium cases
for ex. get extremely anxious even seeing a calendar on the wall with a
picture of a lake or sea or so.)
So, as I already narrated from my own experience, if you are invited to
friends for dinner and you spot one of their children playing with his hand in the
trousers all the time (not in the pocket, but in the trousers) despite all the
guests and persons being around, the first thought should be this one.
Medorrhinum in children starts with severe diseases at early age, unsuitable
severe for this age. Kind regards, Dr.medic.Viorel V.Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).
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Re: Medorrhinum [was: Why Nosodes Banned Germany]
Most of what you are saying here has nothing to do with the topic at hand --
whether a remedy has more than one possible presentation, and whether phos
is "always" this or that. But in any case, I give up. You choose to keep
to your own opinion, and I choose to differ.
Best wishes,
Shannon
on 7/7/04 3:02 AM, VBLUES@aol.com at VBLUES@aol.com wrote:
Ph is sociable and NEEDS friends, probably the
whether a remedy has more than one possible presentation, and whether phos
is "always" this or that. But in any case, I give up. You choose to keep
to your own opinion, and I choose to differ.
Best wishes,
Shannon
on 7/7/04 3:02 AM, VBLUES@aol.com at VBLUES@aol.com wrote:
Ph is sociable and NEEDS friends, probably the
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Re: Medorrhinum [was: Why Nosodes Banned Germany]
Just for interest, Lyssinum is also a good one to be aware of for this
group, too. My daughter as a toddler seemed to be in a very strong and
clear stramonium state (night terrors, wild tantrums, very fearful, and
would go *bezerk* from water on her head -- shower or rain). Stram acted
only weakly and briefly, but then other sxs emerged (when enraged she would
grab her blanket in her teeth and growl like a dog!) and lyssin was given --
and wow, it was a "miracle cure"!
Shannon
on 7/7/04 3:45 AM, VBLUES@aol.com at VBLUES@aol.com wrote:
group, too. My daughter as a toddler seemed to be in a very strong and
clear stramonium state (night terrors, wild tantrums, very fearful, and
would go *bezerk* from water on her head -- shower or rain). Stram acted
only weakly and briefly, but then other sxs emerged (when enraged she would
grab her blanket in her teeth and growl like a dog!) and lyssin was given --
and wow, it was a "miracle cure"!
Shannon
on 7/7/04 3:45 AM, VBLUES@aol.com at VBLUES@aol.com wrote:
Re: Medorrhinum [was: Why Nosodes Banned Germany]
In einer eMail vom 07.07.04 15:06:26 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
shannonnelson@tds.net:
>
8.7.4.
Of course, a remedy has only ONE presentation. It is A remedy and not more of
them. This is where the difference comes, otherwise we would have one big
remedy for almost everything. This is the reason why every remedy has a clear cut
picture, one/two big features or ideas or whatever, the rest being repertory
stuff around it which can not be learned by heart by nobody. Repertories do
get thicker and thicker plus the computerized ones ...
But BEFORE the repertory, you have to pick him/her who he/she actually is.
This IS the thing. For the repertory stuff as such, one does not need to learn
that much. Searching in a repertory is easy, nothing special once you get
acquainted with the semantics and the rubrics. The THING about homeopathy is but to
pick them from the "air", this gives you the thrill ... In extreme, to get
the remedy from one fifth - degree remark the patient makes or a sign or from
just seeing him on the street or in the bus or in a shop or on TV or so ... or,
as somebody whom I very much love and respect (a Aurum salt, probably Au-ph),
said : make the audience cry with one note! Well, here we are!
I respect your opinion even if I do not share it and I dare to predict you
will level mine sometimes in the future.
Without knowing you personal and details about who you actually are, I'd say
you'd give a great pupil because I like the way you stuck on the issue and did
good searching. You should keep on track. You must have anglo-saxon roots,
because this IS anglo-saxon. Kind regards, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur
(www.dr-bucur.com).
shannonnelson@tds.net:
>
8.7.4.
Of course, a remedy has only ONE presentation. It is A remedy and not more of
them. This is where the difference comes, otherwise we would have one big
remedy for almost everything. This is the reason why every remedy has a clear cut
picture, one/two big features or ideas or whatever, the rest being repertory
stuff around it which can not be learned by heart by nobody. Repertories do
get thicker and thicker plus the computerized ones ...
But BEFORE the repertory, you have to pick him/her who he/she actually is.
This IS the thing. For the repertory stuff as such, one does not need to learn
that much. Searching in a repertory is easy, nothing special once you get
acquainted with the semantics and the rubrics. The THING about homeopathy is but to
pick them from the "air", this gives you the thrill ... In extreme, to get
the remedy from one fifth - degree remark the patient makes or a sign or from
just seeing him on the street or in the bus or in a shop or on TV or so ... or,
as somebody whom I very much love and respect (a Aurum salt, probably Au-ph),
said : make the audience cry with one note! Well, here we are!
I respect your opinion even if I do not share it and I dare to predict you
will level mine sometimes in the future.
Without knowing you personal and details about who you actually are, I'd say
you'd give a great pupil because I like the way you stuck on the issue and did
good searching. You should keep on track. You must have anglo-saxon roots,
because this IS anglo-saxon. Kind regards, Dr.medic. Viorel V. Bucur
(www.dr-bucur.com).
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Re: Medorrhinum [was: Why Nosodes Banned Germany]
Well, I will stick to the point a bit more
-- you haven't answered my
questions:
How do you explain Hahnemann entering phos into "Averse company" and Schmidt
entering it into "Averse company, better alone"?
You have said you know Schmidt. Perhaps you know him well enough to ask for
his explanation, and ask whether he agrees that your description of phos
covers all possible situations and people that might need phos?
Why do you suppose so many other folks find remedies useful and needed in a
*variety* of presentations/situations, while you find them useful only in
one?
How do you explain Dr. Morrison's quote re the "depleted" picture of phos?
I would be interested to hear how have you learned homeopathy, and can you
tell us a bit about your practice?
Shannon
on 7/8/04 10:27 AM, VBLUES@aol.com at VBLUES@aol.com wrote:

questions:
How do you explain Hahnemann entering phos into "Averse company" and Schmidt
entering it into "Averse company, better alone"?
You have said you know Schmidt. Perhaps you know him well enough to ask for
his explanation, and ask whether he agrees that your description of phos
covers all possible situations and people that might need phos?
Why do you suppose so many other folks find remedies useful and needed in a
*variety* of presentations/situations, while you find them useful only in
one?
How do you explain Dr. Morrison's quote re the "depleted" picture of phos?
I would be interested to hear how have you learned homeopathy, and can you
tell us a bit about your practice?
Shannon
on 7/8/04 10:27 AM, VBLUES@aol.com at VBLUES@aol.com wrote:
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Re: Medorrhinum [was: Why Nosodes Banned Germany]
Dr.Bucur-
Hahnemann himself felt the need for a repertory. Have you seen even a
single case from either Hahnemann or even kent where the remedy was
selected just based on a remedy picture? Homeopathy is about
individualization not generalization. Remedy picture combines some
prominent symptoms and the tries to fit people into that. May be with
your experience you are able to do that. Still this is not what would
make Homeopathy a science. You commented on my cases that Lachesis is
never a man's remedy. I would never think of any sexual
classification for remedies. Remember how Sepia initially was proved
only in males but proved to be a remedy-for-women par excellence.
Moreover if Lachesis can be proved on males - as Hering would
certainly testify- then it is certainly indicated in males. I have
seen Lachesis working wonders in so many conditions irrespective of
sex that it pains me seeing it classified as 'female' remedy. More
over is there any character / personality trait that can be
considered strictly male or strictly female? Is it not so much
against all modern psychological principles even to consider so? The
person whom you admire so- who might have said " make the audience
cry with one note"- is mistaken. The most dramatic of all my cases -
another one where I never saw the patient- is where a 3 year
complaint of ulcerative colitis - pain in abdomen > by applying cold
water in the side of abdomen - was cured with 3 doses of Calc. carb.
It is given in Index of Aggravations and Ameliorations Neatby - Cold
applications Amel pains of peritonitis - Calc. This is also confirmed
in Lilienthal. The patient stayed cured for at least a few years and
he sent droves of patients. The case was seen by another doctor and
I selected the remedy. What remedy picture did I see? In fact Calc is
by both. How
would I know this without a repertory? I would say if there is
anything better than repertorization it is case-taking. Being alive
and being on the spot while case taking is perhaps more important
than any thing else. By looking at the kind of spectacles a patient
is wearing and the dress she is wearing (which is shiny like a
snake's skin)deciding that Naja is her medicine ( as Jurgen Becker
and Rajan Sankaran have discussed in one case) I would be missing a
lot of things that patient brings to the table. Context is
everything. For example - patient might have been wearing that dress
to please her mother - in which case it is not the fact that she is
wearing flashy dresses that is significant but the desire to
please.But even that is not important if such behavior is common to
the culture for example Asian cultures where obeying parents is a
cultural thing and is expected till the parent dies ( some times
where it continues even after that).
Practice must be a science before it becomes an art. Art is not being
creatively metaphoric. A good methodical and thorough and open
approach to case taking and finding the medicine elevates this
science to an art form because of the thoroughness. It becomes an art
NOT BY DESIGN BUT AS A BY-PRODUCT.
You might be a successful practitioner by your intelligence and by
the unique understanding you have. But I do not think this is
something everyone should emulate or even try to. I admit your
writings are very good to read and I enjoy your analysis. I just
wish that Homeopathy were so easy which I know it is not.
With regards
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, VBLUES@a... wrote:
Sommerzeit schreibt
whether phos
to keep
not more of
one big
has a clear cut
repertory
Repertories do
actually is.
need to learn
you get
homeopathy is but to
to get
sign or from
or so ... or,
probably Au-ph),
predict you
are, I'd say
issue and did
roots,
Bucur
Hahnemann himself felt the need for a repertory. Have you seen even a
single case from either Hahnemann or even kent where the remedy was
selected just based on a remedy picture? Homeopathy is about
individualization not generalization. Remedy picture combines some
prominent symptoms and the tries to fit people into that. May be with
your experience you are able to do that. Still this is not what would
make Homeopathy a science. You commented on my cases that Lachesis is
never a man's remedy. I would never think of any sexual
classification for remedies. Remember how Sepia initially was proved
only in males but proved to be a remedy-for-women par excellence.
Moreover if Lachesis can be proved on males - as Hering would
certainly testify- then it is certainly indicated in males. I have
seen Lachesis working wonders in so many conditions irrespective of
sex that it pains me seeing it classified as 'female' remedy. More
over is there any character / personality trait that can be
considered strictly male or strictly female? Is it not so much
against all modern psychological principles even to consider so? The
person whom you admire so- who might have said " make the audience
cry with one note"- is mistaken. The most dramatic of all my cases -
another one where I never saw the patient- is where a 3 year
complaint of ulcerative colitis - pain in abdomen > by applying cold
water in the side of abdomen - was cured with 3 doses of Calc. carb.
It is given in Index of Aggravations and Ameliorations Neatby - Cold
applications Amel pains of peritonitis - Calc. This is also confirmed
in Lilienthal. The patient stayed cured for at least a few years and
he sent droves of patients. The case was seen by another doctor and
I selected the remedy. What remedy picture did I see? In fact Calc is
by both. How
would I know this without a repertory? I would say if there is
anything better than repertorization it is case-taking. Being alive
and being on the spot while case taking is perhaps more important
than any thing else. By looking at the kind of spectacles a patient
is wearing and the dress she is wearing (which is shiny like a
snake's skin)deciding that Naja is her medicine ( as Jurgen Becker
and Rajan Sankaran have discussed in one case) I would be missing a
lot of things that patient brings to the table. Context is
everything. For example - patient might have been wearing that dress
to please her mother - in which case it is not the fact that she is
wearing flashy dresses that is significant but the desire to
please.But even that is not important if such behavior is common to
the culture for example Asian cultures where obeying parents is a
cultural thing and is expected till the parent dies ( some times
where it continues even after that).
Practice must be a science before it becomes an art. Art is not being
creatively metaphoric. A good methodical and thorough and open
approach to case taking and finding the medicine elevates this
science to an art form because of the thoroughness. It becomes an art
NOT BY DESIGN BUT AS A BY-PRODUCT.
You might be a successful practitioner by your intelligence and by
the unique understanding you have. But I do not think this is
something everyone should emulate or even try to. I admit your
writings are very good to read and I enjoy your analysis. I just
wish that Homeopathy were so easy which I know it is not.
With regards
--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, VBLUES@a... wrote:
Sommerzeit schreibt
whether phos
to keep
not more of
one big
has a clear cut
repertory
Repertories do
actually is.
need to learn
you get
homeopathy is but to
to get
sign or from
or so ... or,
probably Au-ph),
predict you
are, I'd say
issue and did
roots,
Bucur
Re: Medorrhinum [was: Why Nosodes Banned Germany]
In einer eMail vom 07.07.04 15:19:20 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt
shannonnelson@tds.net:
<< only weakly and briefly, but then other sxs emerged (when enraged she would
grab her blanket in her teeth and growl like a dog!) and lyssin was given --
and wow, it was a "miracle cure"!
Shannon
12.7.4.
This sounds or rather looks like Belladonna to me. It will fit actually very
good with Stramonium. Stramonium can often be also given in Ca-ca fever state
instead of Belladonna, especially if the case is really severe or if
Belladonna is not at hand in that moment (spare remedy).
Kind regards, Dr.medic.Viorel V.Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).
shannonnelson@tds.net:
<< only weakly and briefly, but then other sxs emerged (when enraged she would
grab her blanket in her teeth and growl like a dog!) and lyssin was given --
and wow, it was a "miracle cure"!
Shannon
12.7.4.
This sounds or rather looks like Belladonna to me. It will fit actually very
good with Stramonium. Stramonium can often be also given in Ca-ca fever state
instead of Belladonna, especially if the case is really severe or if
Belladonna is not at hand in that moment (spare remedy).
Kind regards, Dr.medic.Viorel V.Bucur (www.dr-bucur.com).
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Re: Medorrhinum [was: Why Nosodes Banned Germany]
I agree, it did look a lot like Belladonna, and looked even more (IMO) like
Stramonium. However, Lyssin was specifically indicated (as we finally
realized and as I am now recalling) by the way that her wild, raging
tantrums (thank God she was so young!!!) were followed by remorse,
apologies, affection, and need to be reassured. Bottom line, tho -- Lyssin
is what worked.
Shannon
on 7/12/04 1:50 AM, VBLUES@aol.com at VBLUES@aol.com wrote:
Stramonium. However, Lyssin was specifically indicated (as we finally
realized and as I am now recalling) by the way that her wild, raging
tantrums (thank God she was so young!!!) were followed by remorse,
apologies, affection, and need to be reassured. Bottom line, tho -- Lyssin
is what worked.
Shannon
on 7/12/04 1:50 AM, VBLUES@aol.com at VBLUES@aol.com wrote: