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Re: INSTRUCTIONS TO MINUTUS SITE PARTICIPANTS

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Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:43:26 +0100 (BST)

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Re: INSTRUCTIONS TO MINUTUS SITE PARTICIPANTS

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In a message dated 11/4/2002 10:39:15 PM Mountain Standard Time,
ashahrdar@yahoo.com writes:
Dear Sir,

In order to end this perpetual quarrel on the list would you please define
classical homeopathy as to what techniques are permittable and what sources
or reference books encompass classical instruction and technique.

Sincerely,
Barbara
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]


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Dear Barbara,

By classical I mean accepting at least the basic
principles of homeopathy like Simillimum principle,
Minimal dose, Single dose,...

But the most important point is that you are free to
discuss these basic principles (even if you do not
agree with them) but do not forget that this is a
friendly discussion group and.....

Kind regards,

Ardavan
--- jdurfeeathome@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated
11/4/2002 10:39:15 PM Mountain

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Jan Klüssendorf
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Re: INSTRUCTIONS TO MINUTUS SITE PARTICIPANTS

Post by Jan Klüssendorf »

> Dear Sir,
sources

Dear Barbara, and others,

I would say it's an illusion, to think that it is possible to 'define'
classical homeopathy.
As it is not possible to 'define' justice' or 'beauty' or 'impressionism' or
'jazz' etc....
And even if you could define it,... it wouldn't solve anything because then
the discussion will shift to the question whether a given phenomena has to
be considered falling 1) 'under the definition', 2) 'totally outside' the
definition or, mostly, 3) 'partly in- and partly' outside the
definition....and then you are not a step further then you were in the first
place.

And in fact, one doesn't need a definition to know that when Isali talks
about acupuncture points or Chinese herbs that this has nothing to do with
classic homeopathy.
And I guess, most of us don't mind when now and then, someone is a little
bit or a big bit out of topic.
You hit the delete button and that's it.
But, when it happens so frequent that the danger exists that at a given
moment it's not clear anymore what the real 'core' of the group is, or even
worse, more and more new group members forget all about this 'core' and
start dropping any kind of health post into the group, then two things might
happen: this practise is accepted as it happens but then the original
members will one by one leave the list and look for an new adequate list,
which fulfil their original expectations, or the original members will start
defending their 'territory'. And that's in fact what's happening at the
moment. It's more or less a territorial fight. And I think there is nothing
wrong with that.

Think of a Latin dance group.
They do salsa and meringue all the time.
And all of a sudden there is a new group member who likes to dance some
reggae.
And some of the members think it's a good idea, but there are lots others
who demand that the group would stick to their core.
Who is wrong and who is right?
Hard to say. If they start doing reggae (and other dances, why not?) they
will learn (and enjoy) a lot of other things they didn't knew before, but
their skills on salsa and meringue will diminish, that's for sure. And if
you want to become a top salsa player, you 'd better stay on the Salsa
topic, that's sure too.

So as far as topic-matters are concerned, what (unwritten) rules exists in
this kind of lists/groups etc...?
I would say there are to important rules:
1) If you post on topic, and you are respectful, you can write almost
anything and ask anything you want.
The worst thing what can happen is that nobody reads your mail. (As maybe
with this mail :-) No big deal.
2) You want to post something which is (partly) off topic.
Then you have to ask yourself: is it what I have to tell or to ask really of
interest to this group, which is dedicated to classic homeopathy.
If your conclusion is yes, then it becomes a question of courtesy. Because
in that case, when sending in your mail, you give a kind of notification
about the fact that you know that what you are going to tell or ask is in
fact (a little) off topic, but because it's so important for you or for the
group you more or less ask permission to post it anyway, hoping etc.....
Although such a procedure sounds a little 'over the top', it is important,
because it confirms the group values and is not an (indirect) contestation
of them. Failing to do so, will without any doubt generate in a short term
defence reactions of the original group members.

In this sense Isali (and others) have more then once broken this unwritten
rule.

But there is also an 'other side' to this coin.
And that is that when group members are repeatedly off topic, they are
normally 'brought back on track' in a gentle, polite and subtle way.
And that's were Dave Hartley 'went off the road'. Dave has to realize that
also without calling names, one can hurt and offend people *very* deep.
It's not the problem what Dave said, most of us would agree to that, but the
way he did it.
When one accuses somebody on this list to practise guess-o-pathy instead of
homeopathy and advises to reread the Organon, it's nothing less then a big
affront which leaves the other party (Ego) no other choice then to try to
'get even'. An eye for an eye.

So if all the people on this list would learn two lesson's out of this
conflict:
1) If you want to go off topic: kind of ask permission for it, give a little
explanation, confirming in that way you know what the group topic is.
2) If you feel the need to disagree on what people post, ask, share.... do
it in such a way that you would like yourself to be 'instructed'.
then maybe this conflict was useful after all.

Only some thoughts,

Jan
So when Dave poi some list members that their post is off topic, Dave is
defending the original group territories and he has all the right to do so.


andyh
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Re: INSTRUCTIONS TO MINUTUS SITE PARTICIPANTS

Post by andyh »

Dear List,
I am appreciative that Jan, Barbara, and others took the time to write about the List Focus and its mechanism of "enforcement".
I here humbly post some ideas following the latter posts, in hope that animosities can be quickly purged (and not suppressed) and the discussion returned to homeopathy with people clear on how to proceed harmoniously.

When members of a cyber group start getting familiar enough to be themselves
"in public" (albeit somewhat anonymously), eventually clashes will occur. In one sense
this minor dispute is positive because there are enough folks that care enough about this little online community
and valuable learning tool to help keep it from degeneration. All communities go through development pains,
and I am sure it has happened here before with earlier generations or participants.

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Regarding focus, this note from Dr. Shahrdar seems to keep the focus fairly narrow:

Dear Sir,

In order to end this perpetual quarrel on the list would you please define
classical homeopathy as to what techniques are permittable and what sources
or reference books encompass classical instruction and technique.

Sincerely,
Barbara

Dear Barbara,

By classical I mean accepting at least the basic
principles of homeopathy like Simillimum principle,
Minimal dose, Single dose,...

But the most important point is that you are free to
discuss these basic principles (even if you do not
agree with them) but do not forget that this is a
friendly discussion group and.....

Kind regards,

Ardavan

==============

So, as interested as we all indeed are in TCM and other methods, as much as possible they should remain
ancillary, and their mention be occasioned only when firmly related to homeopathy, and apologies made for their *occasional* inclusion. It seems that this is necessary to keep the focus of Dr. Shahrdar's vision, and maintain
the list for the main purpose for which members participate.
===============
Regarding Enforcement
If one person should have to be an"enforcer", perhaps it should be made official.Perhaps Dr. Shahrdar would consider appointing an "OMBUDSMAN" who can negotiate with any who are pulling the community out of focus, and generally do so in private emails. I think enough has been gleaned from what Dr. Rozencwajg and Dave have together brought to light ( :-) ) that Dave, if interested in such a post, could perform it a bit more gently and mostly *in private*, and try to be a bit less critical. And the result of this little brouhaha might be that everyone can police themselves so
that Dave or someone else who is an official Ombudsman will only have to prompt new posters every once in a while. This will prevent Dave or the designated ombudsman from becoming frustrated at the amount of time needed to keep us on-topic.

================
I like what Jan said here:

1) If you want to go off topic: kind of ask permission for it, give a little
explanation, confirming in that way you know what the group topic is.

2) If you feel the need to disagree on what people post, ask, share.... do
it in such a way that you would like yourself to be 'instructed'.
then maybe this conflict was useful after all.
===============

I add the following idea: If someone has a nugget of TCM or other wisdom to offer, that they mention it in passing that
those interested in more info about that aspect contact the poster privately. As desired, that group of individuals can
develop there own sub-group privately, and address their private postings on really off-topic items to a list of only those interested. The public list is reserved only to enlist interest among homeopaths in such divergences, but the divergences, in general, are kept off the public list, so it is kept in *focus*.

If we all police ourselves in such a way, and make gentle but firm reference to items we would rather
not read about off-topic items, most new posters will get the idea, and if not, then someone condoned by
Dr. Shahrdar can privately clue them in. Perhaps something like the following could be sent to new
members waxing off-topic:

1- Please do NOT use the address
minutus@yahoogroups.com for private communication
with your friends (like private requests, private "thank

This is a site broadcast address and all the site
members will receive it.

Please use personal addresses as and when needed.
2- The answers to FTRN (Find The Remedy's Name)
quizzes should be sent to me with your workings and
justification/repertorisation etc on
ashahrdar@yahoo.com
In FTRN quizzes, you can send related material, like
Materia Medica, cases,... to the list without
mentioning the name of the remedy.
3- Minutus mailing list is a classical HOMEOPATHY
discussion group. Please do not post messages
unrelated to homeopathy (Like political discussion,
jokes,...).

4- Please do not use Minutus mailing list as an
Hopefully constructive ideas leading to Peace,

Andy


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Post by Ardavan Shahrdar »

Dear colleagues,

It is a long time I have not sent this message!

INSTRUCTIONS TO MINUTUS SITE PARTICIPANTS:

1- Please do NOT use the address
minutus@yahoogroups.com for private communication with
your friends (like private requests, private "thank
you" s,...)

This is a site broadcast address and all the site
members will receive it.

Please use personal addresses as and when needed.

2- The answers to FTRN (Find The Remedy's Name)
quizzes should be sent to me with your workings and
justification/repertorisation etc on
ashahrdar@yahoo.com

In FTRN quizzes, you can send related material, like
Materia Medica, cases,... to the list without
mentioning the name of the remedy.

3- Minutus mailing list is a classical HOMEOPATHY
discussion group. Please do not post messages
unrelated to homeopathy (Like political discussion,
jokes,...).

4- Please do not use Minutus mailing list as an
advertisement media unless you have got my permission.

5- Minutus mailing list is a friendly discussion
group. Please do not express anything which may hurt
any member's emotions.
Sincerely,

Ardavan Shahrdar
Website: http://www.minutus.org
=====
"Life is beautiful, if you look at it in a beautiful way."

Dr Ardavan Shahrdar, MD, DIHom
President of Iranian Homeopathic Association
Website: http://www.minutus.org
Email: ashahrdar@yahoo.com
Mailing list: http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/minutus

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Re: INSTRUCTIONS TO MINUTUS SITE PARTICIPANTS

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--- Ardavan Shahrdar wrote: >
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 2002 15:43:26 +0100 (BST)

=====
"Life is beautiful, if you look at it in a beautiful way."

Dr Ardavan Shahrdar, MD, DIHom
President of Iranian Homeopathic Association
Website: http://www.minutus.org
Email: ashahrdar@yahoo.com
Mailing list: http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/minutus

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Re: INSTRUCTIONS TO MINUTUS SITE PARTICIPANTS

Post by dr.shahrdar »

Dear colleagues,
INSTRUCTIONS TO MINUTUS SITE PARTICIPANTS:

1. Please do NOT use the address minutus@yahoogroups.com for private
communication with your friends (like private requests,
private "thank you" s,...) This is a site broadcast address and all
the site members will receive it. Please use personal addresses as
and when needed.

2. Minutus mailing list is a classical HOMEOPATHY
discussion group. Here classical homeopathy simply means considering
the principle of simillimum, single remedy in a prescription, using
minimal dose necessary for the treatment. In my opinion, classical
homeopathy is much more than this and Hahnemannian homeopathy even
more than that but I do not want to force the participants to
communicate in the specific field I myself like. If you want to have
discussions about other alternative branches like herbal medicine,
TCM, acupuncture, Biochemic remedies,.... please join other related
discussion groups.

3. Also, please do not post messages unrelated to homeopathy (Like
political discussion, jokes,...).
4. Please do not use Minutus mailing list as an advertisement media
unless you have got my permission.

5. Minutus mailing list is a friendly discussion group. Please do
not express anything which may hurt any member's emotions.
Sincerely,

Ardavan Shahrdar
Website: http://www.minutus.org


dr.shahrdar
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Re: INSTRUCTIONS TO MINUTUS SITE PARTICIPANTS

Post by dr.shahrdar »

--- In minutus@yahoogroups.com, "dr.shahrdar"
wrote:

Dear colleagues,
INSTRUCTIONS TO MINUTUS SITE PARTICIPANTS:

1. Please do NOT use the address minutus@yahoogroups.com for private
communication with your friends (like private requests,
private "thank you" s,...) This is a site broadcast address and all
the site members will receive it. Please use personal addresses as
and when needed.

2. Minutus mailing list is a classical HOMEOPATHY
discussion group. Here classical homeopathy simply means considering
the principle of simillimum, single remedy in a prescription, using
minimal dose necessary for the treatment. In my opinion, classical
homeopathy is much more than this and Hahnemannian homeopathy even
more than that but I do not want to force the participants to
communicate in the specific field I myself like. If you want to have
discussions about other alternative branches like herbal medicine,
TCM, acupuncture, Biochemic remedies,.... please join other related
discussion groups.

3. Also, please do not post messages unrelated to homeopathy (Like
political discussion, jokes,...).
4. Please do not use Minutus mailing list as an advertisement media
unless you have got my permission.

5. Minutus mailing list is a friendly discussion group. Please do
not express anything which may hurt any member's emotions.
Sincerely,

Ardavan Shahrdar
Website: http://www.minutus.org

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