Child who spits - UPDATE

[Rochelle Marsden ntl]

Hi Shannon,
In UK there is a bottled water which is fortified with calcium called Activa. I have a child patient who only drinks that because he doesn't like milk. Parsley is one of the best sources but I am sure you know that.

Regards,
Rochelle
For calcium, the best sources are whole foods, leafy greens. (If that isn't
enough, calcium supplements could be good -- but probably in lesser amounts
than what the bottle suggests, and should be balanced with magnesium. Maybe
there are better ideas out there...)

Shannon

www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

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[Joy Lucas]

Might this have had something to do with the antibiotics that are present in
milk from cows that have been injected - in which case the potentised
Penicillinum might be of use, and possibly a bowel nosode.

best, Joy

www.homeopathicmateriamedica.com
on 9/2/03 1:09 PM, Bob&Shannon at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:

What about a child (toddler at the time of these reactions) whose response
to milk is to, first, become nasty, cranky and combative, then screaming
night terrors that night (could be more than one), then a large, red boil or
two the next day? This would happen from literally even a tsp. of milk;
more boils from larger amounts. She's now a teen, and is much less
sensitive to it, but if she drinks too much (which is not very much), will
slip back into "that mood" -- nasty, everything stinks and every one, slap
the world away and snarl in its face -- fun!!! (gag)

Any thoughts?
Shannon
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[Shannon Nelson]

Good thought, and her worst reactions were to milk she got "accidentally" in
daycare, but she responded pretty much the same to organic milk, and even
very similarly to raw, organic *goat* milk, argh. (I didn't do deliberate
testing to can't say if it was all exactly the same or not, but all of these
were found to cause similar problems in a fairly short time; some quicker,
some sooner -- I kept trying!!!)

Shannon

on 9/2/03 7:55 AM, Joy Lucas at joy.lucas@ntlworld.com wrote:

[Patricia Hatherly]

Dear Rochelle

I agree that cow's milk is good for cow's only but the press on soy is all
bad!
It's so bad that anyone recommending it could be up for court challenge down
the track; fermented soy is the only safe way.

What to do with littlies who are at an age when they should still be
enjoying the benefits of human milk?
Lactation Consultants generally suggest goat milk formula. Then, goat milk
and sheep milk yoghurts and cheeses are an OK alternative. Also, real
mozarella is made from buffalo milk; mixing the foreign proteins helps to
minimise sensitivity.

regards
Patricia

[Patricia Hatherly]

Dear Tanya

Protein intolerance (lots phlegm etc) is suggestive of Tubercular miasm and
avoidance of bovine dairy proteins is then a good idea.

Lactose intolerance is an inability to deal with the lactose (main sugar) in
milk; S/S are usually frothy explosive stools with mucous and abdo pain.
This is due to a lack of sufficient lactase (enzyme) to break down the milk
in the gut to form the simpler sugars.
In humans these are glucose and galactose (of which human milk is made).

Normal milk (cow or goat) can be pre-treated with these enzymes and allowed
to "sit" for 24 hours before consumption. In Australia you can buy loctose
free milk in supermarkets. This process has already been done.

Breastfed babies who are overly sensitive to lactose can be helped simply be
strict feeding routines and management of the mother's diet (removal of
sugars and increase in protein and fat; called "the compensation effect").

Formula fed babies should be evaluated for assessment of true lactose
intolerance; breath hydrogen test; culture of stool for sugars and perhaps a
gut biopsy. If the diagnosis is made clinically they can be fed a specially
made pre-digested formula (called Pregestamil in Australia) obtained on
prescription.
Soy formulas are high in aluminium; phytates and phytoestrogens such that a
baby on 6 bottles a day gets over 50 times the "allowable" limit of
genestin; bad for girl babies but even worse for boy babies.

regards
Patricia

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[Patricia Hatherly]

Dear Rochelle

Healthy diet is a big problem for many kids and I take your point re the
lack of home cooked meat & vegs etc!

Milk, however, is actually a really important part of the infant's diet
until the age of 3-4 which is when the brain differentiation has slowed and
most biologic systems have matured (and that's how long they should have
human milk...but that's another issue)!
Is there anyone out there willing to go into business of making formula from
human milk? You'd make a killing among women who want to have a real choice
when it comes to weaning. Breastfeeding until 4 is not a realistic option
for most women!

The GMO is an important point but is in addition to all the other potential
problems with having soy as a MAIN source of "milk"; an occasional soy drink
or tofu is an OK food option (at least it's a protein)

The lables on soy formulas don't say free from GMO and that's a real worry
and another reason why Lactation Consultants don't generally recommend soy
formula to infants.

With an older toddler I think the goat option is generally better. At least
it's a real milk.

regards
Patricia

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Patricia and Joy,

She's had Tub several times over the years, with never any response -- which
always seems odd, as she has had *SOOOOO* many physical and emotional sxs of
the remedy and the miasm!!!! Lac-h I tried in low potency (no apparent
response, but maybe not have been patient enough), but will probably try it
again in the future.

Bowel nosodes seem like a very good idea tho, and maybe I'll try that next
-- will have to look them over some more. Thanks for the suggestion re
Morgan pure.

Could you say a bit about what sort of response I might expect from lac-h or
that in this sort of situation? At this point in her life she's doing
fairly well, except for being *way* low on stamina (has been homeschooled
for four years basically because she couldn't get up in the morning and/or
handle full days of school w/o going thru cycles of illness; these are much
better now [esp. better since recent Lyc!], but we'll see how this year goes
-- she's trying school again, oh trepidatious me! Her emotional sxs are I
would say sort of Lyc-like (obviously) (awesomely nasty to the little
brother, yet fairly obsequious with non-family adults and peers; a funny
combination of bravado and timidity; oversensitive to many things, both
emotionally and physically). Overall, tho, she's doing pretty well right
now, *IF* (and it's a biggie) she stays away from junk food, speaking of
reasons to doubt this decision to re-school....

Anyway, should I assume that a bowel nosode (and/or lac-h) would need to be
given low potency over a period of many weeks before passing judgment? (Or
high????) Sometimes our results have been *so* quick and dramatic, and I'm
thinking maybe I tend to give up too easily sometimes...

Thanks for the thoughts!!!
Shannon
on 9/2/03 4:21 PM, Patricia Hatherly at triciah@rnhconsulting.com.au wrote:

[Shannon Nelson]

PS, reading on Morgan, I find this:
"... Morgan Gaertner, which is like Lycopodium and is helpful in
cholecystitis adrenal colic." Can anyone tell me what "adrenal colic" is?

Shannon
on 9/2/03 4:21 PM, Patricia Hatherly at triciah@rnhconsulting.com.au wrote:

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Probably a typo: "and renal colic".

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind""

[Shannon Nelson]

Thankyou! I recently started using up an old jar of it (strangely enough),
and it's actually very tasty! Didn't know it had calcium tho; that's good
news. And that's the clearest explanation I've got so far about the cow
milk/calcium issue, so thank you again!

Shannon
on 9/2/03 5:25 PM, Patricia Hatherly at triciah@rnhconsulting.com.au wrote: