Impacted wisdom teeth

[Laura Peterson]

Hello everyone,
I have a son with six wisdom teeth. Two have erupted over the last two
years, witth much trouble. He recieved Silica and Calc at various times.
The 'extra' teeth have no room to come in. One of the bottom teeth is
coming in at an angle. The other top tooth is just impacted. We have a
month until the scheduled surgery. They all need to come out, mostly for
space reasons. Any experience with remedies for before and after the
surgery?
Thanks,
Laura Peterson

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[Rochelle]

I would suggest 30mins before surgery to take Arnica 30 and repeat straight after surgery and again a couple more doses that day. Next day take about 4 doses Arnica. This should stop the chipmunk look. Any problem with the anaesthetic take Phos. For excessive pain take Hypericum. Maybe others have further suggestions . Hypericum and Calendula as a herbal tincture,diluted as a gargle for when he is allowed to do this will help will healing and pain.
All the best
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

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[Jean Doherty]

As well as Rochelle¹s suggestion I think Hepar Sulph should be available
if any suggestion of infection, Good luck Jean
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[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Rochelle,

Why Arnica *before* surgery? I keep hearing that in some small number of
cases it causes bleeding trouble, and taking Arnica *after* is so very
effective, I can't imagine what the advantage is to also taking before, that
would offset the (admittedly small) risk involved...

In my experience with Arnica for pain (including post-surgery pain), it
works very well to take it when discomfort begins to *return*, which might
be longer than you expect! I suppose taking the first dose right afte
surgery, before the anaesthetic wears off, makes sense to get a jump on the
swelling. But for repeating the dose, the start of discomfort is very mild,
IME -- more like a "tingle" than a pain, and if next dose is delayed,
discomfort returns only very slowly. Then once the next dose is taken, it
passes away within a few minutes; an interesting experience (kind of cool,
actually), and I think more appropriate than re-dosing by a schedule, which
always makes me nervous...

Also, for post-surgery, I've found 200 (or sometimes 1M) to be *very* much
more effective than 30, tho I suppose that would vary for different people?
For me, 30 only dulled the pain a little -- not enough! -- but 200 (or in
one case 1M) took it away completely, within minutes.

Maybe worth noting Julian's experience that he posted on Homeolist -- says
he's had four wisdom tooth surgeries, and found Arnica 200, taken just a few
times, when discomfort began to return, handled the problem nicely within a
couple of days. I agree, tho, that sometimes something of the other
remedies you mention might be needed -- in general, tho, Arnica seems very
effective for it. (If one were taking painkillers *too* obviously this
approach wouldn't work, but IME painkillers aren't needed at all!)

Best,
Shannon

on 7/10/03 9:05 AM, ROCHELLE at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:

[Rochelle]

Dear Shannon,
The way I see it is that the Arnica 30 a short time before the op stops the body even thinking about producing the bruising and it also stops any shock from the op. Maybe this is why the 30 C potency has always worked so well that I haven't needed to prescribe a 200. I would only personally use a 200 if prescribing has been delayed. I am a firm believer in Arn 30 every 15 mins for an hour after an accidental trauma where bruising is inevitable. It has worked on me beautifully.
This is just my clinical experience.
Regards
Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

[Shannon Nelson]

That's an interesting thought!
So you find that 30 is always sufficient to control pain, that no painkiller
is needed?
on 7/10/03 4:38 PM, ROCHELLE at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:

[Rochelle]

It's the procedure I use for all operations!! And as far as I know pain killers have been refused by patients. Depending on the operation I might go on to other remedies such as bellis perenis. I have to say that I have never given 200C but I can understand that maybe it would work well.
Regards, Rochelle
www.rochellemarsden.co.uk

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Arnica before, simple reason:

We you get out of the theatre, the recovery room nurses will in most cases not give you the Arnica you need, because it is not in their standing orders, and the family is not allowed in the recovery room at least until you have fully recovered consciousness..... and started suffering.
Simple logistics.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind""

[Shannon Nelson]

Hm, that would make sense...
I've had only one surgery, but when I woke from that one, it was many hours
before the anaesthetic began to wear off, and I didn't take my first dose
until that point (at which point I was already home). Would it be common
for patient to regain consciousness after the anaesthetics have already worn
off???? Now if it had been *major* surgery and I'd been staying in the
hospital, that would have been more difficult, but dosing before doesn't
eliminate that problem...

Shannon
on 7/11/03 12:45 AM, Dr. J. Rozencwajg. MD. PhD. at jroz@ihug.co.nz wrote:

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

Depends on your surgery of course.
If it is ambulatory surgery, you will be fully awake as fast as possible, if it is in hospital and heavy surgery, you might be sedated for a few days: the more reason to take Arnica before, so you can be awakened ASAP and not drugged.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind""