Ideas anyone? My patient has a particular type of claustrophobia. It
occurs when she is in an enclosed space with other people -- like an
elevator or airplane. She feels "TRAPPED" and that she "can't breathe."
Under MIND I found FEAR, narrow place in, and a big rubric for Crowd in.
But these don't really match. I only have Kent's. Thanks in advance.
Paula
help finding rubrics
Re: help finding rubrics
refwrks searches:
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claustrophobia in crowd:
ambra (case)
I am claustrophobic and have difficulty in crowds. I avoid elevators and stand with my finger on the emergency button when I ride in them. I don't trust anything man-made. I'm very safety conscious and very aware.
chocolate (case)
She suffers from panic attacks. 'I get panicky in public places. Especially when in a line-up, I often want to stand up and leave. Crowds make me feel claustrophobic, as if I'm going to suffocate. Sometimes I get short of breath then, and fear I am going to faint. I get hot and sweaty, with waves of heat rising up to my head. I feel like screaming then, wanting to escape, but not wanting others to notice my distress. They'd think I'm crazy. I also feel trapped when in traffic jams. I never drive on the highway. Your life is in danger there (chuckles).
ignis alcoholis (proving)
A Definite need for space and expansion. Find myself getting very claustrophobic in crowds and closed spaces. Today I was in a multi-story car park and had to slow on one of the ramps. I could feel the whole place closing in on me. I felt like screaming and screaming, but controlled myself.
lyssin (case)
fear in a crowd, claustrophobia, elevators.
tarent (case)
claustrophobia in elevators, cable cars and other narrow places,
tela araneae (proving)
Went to a bar ? felt claustrophobic ? not in the sense of being in a small room or space, but people touching me and invading my space (the bar was very crowded).
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Fear in the same sentence as elevator: ambr., 3Arg-n., calc., 2gels., lac-c., 2lyss., mag-br., sabin., tarent.
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Hope helpful
best to all
andy
PDH wrote:
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claustrophobia in crowd:
ambra (case)
I am claustrophobic and have difficulty in crowds. I avoid elevators and stand with my finger on the emergency button when I ride in them. I don't trust anything man-made. I'm very safety conscious and very aware.
chocolate (case)
She suffers from panic attacks. 'I get panicky in public places. Especially when in a line-up, I often want to stand up and leave. Crowds make me feel claustrophobic, as if I'm going to suffocate. Sometimes I get short of breath then, and fear I am going to faint. I get hot and sweaty, with waves of heat rising up to my head. I feel like screaming then, wanting to escape, but not wanting others to notice my distress. They'd think I'm crazy. I also feel trapped when in traffic jams. I never drive on the highway. Your life is in danger there (chuckles).
ignis alcoholis (proving)
A Definite need for space and expansion. Find myself getting very claustrophobic in crowds and closed spaces. Today I was in a multi-story car park and had to slow on one of the ramps. I could feel the whole place closing in on me. I felt like screaming and screaming, but controlled myself.
lyssin (case)
fear in a crowd, claustrophobia, elevators.
tarent (case)
claustrophobia in elevators, cable cars and other narrow places,
tela araneae (proving)
Went to a bar ? felt claustrophobic ? not in the sense of being in a small room or space, but people touching me and invading my space (the bar was very crowded).
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Fear in the same sentence as elevator: ambr., 3Arg-n., calc., 2gels., lac-c., 2lyss., mag-br., sabin., tarent.
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Hope helpful
best to all
andy
PDH wrote:
Re: help finding rubrics
also: (complete rep)
MIND; FEAR; general; narrow place, in, claustrophobia (K46, SRI-513, G37) (45) : absin., acon., ambr., aran., aran-s., arg-n., ars., bry., calc., carb-an., carc., caust., chin-ar., cimic., cocc., dulc., dys-co., falco-p., ign., kali-ar., kali-c., lac-d., lach., Lyc., lyss., manc., med., merc-i-f., morg., morg-g., nat-m., nat-s., nux-v., plb., psor., Puls., ruta, sep., staph., stram., succ., sulph., tab., til., valer.
MIND; FEAR; general; crowd, in a (K6, SRI-71, SRI-485, G5, G35) (60) : Acon., aloe, am-m., ambr., arg-n., arn., ars., ars-s-f., asaf., aur., aur-ar., aur-i., aur-s., bamb-a., bar-c., bar-s., bell., bufo, calc., carb-an., carc., caust., cic., con., dios., ferr., ferr-ar., ferr-p., graph., hep., hydr-ac., kali-ar., kali-bi., kali-c., kali-p., lac-cpr., lac-del., led., levo., lyc., morg., morg-g., nat-ar., nat-c., nat-m., nat-s., nux-v., petr., phos., plat., plb., PULS., rhus-t., sel., sil., stann., stram., sulph., tab., til.
GENERALITIES; CROWDED places agg. (K1398, SRII-566, G1153) (26) : ambr., ant-c., apisin., arg., arg-n., ars., bar-c., carb-an., con., hell., iod., kali-i., lil-t., lyc., mag-c., nat-c., nat-m., petr., phos., plb., puls., sabin., sep., stann., stram., sulph.
MIND; FEAR; general; trains and closed places (SRI-97, SRI-513, SRI-519) (9) : acon., arg-n., bar-c., cimic., dys-co., ferr., nat-m., puls., succ.
MIND; AILMENTS from; crowd, society, in (37) : agar., Ambr., Arg-n., ars., Bar-c., Bell., bov., Bry., Calc., calc-p., carb-an., carb-v., con., ham., hell., hydr., hyos., ign., iod., kali-i., lap-gr-m., Lyc., mag-c., Nat-c., Nat-m., pall., petr., phos., plat., Plb., Puls., rhus-t., Sep., stann., stram., sulph., Thuj.
all above rubrics combined into one:
Fear, in crowds, narrow closed places combined rubric: absin., Acon., agar., aloe, am-m., Ambr., ant-c., apisin., aran., aran-s., arg., Arg-n., arn., ars., ars-s-f., asaf., aur., aur-ar., aur-i., aur-s., bamb-a., Bar-c., bar-s., Bell., bov., Bry., bufo, Calc., calc-p., carb-an., carb-v., carc., caust., chin-ar., cic., cimic., cocc., con., dios., dulc., dys-co., falco-p., ferr., ferr-ar., ferr-p., graph., ham., hell., hep., hydr., hydr-ac., hyos., ign., iod., kali-ar., kali-bi., kali-c., kali-i., kali-p., lac-cpr., lac-d., lac-del., lach., lap-gr-m., led., levo., lil-t., Lyc.,
lyss., mag-c., manc., med., merc-i-f., morg., morg-g., nat-ar., Nat-c., Nat-m., nat-s., nux-v., pall., petr., phos., plat., Plb., psor., PULS., rhus-t., ruta, sabin., sel., Sep., sil., stann., staph., stram., succ., sulph., tab., Thuj., til., valer.
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"andyh@mcn.org" wrote:
MIND; FEAR; general; narrow place, in, claustrophobia (K46, SRI-513, G37) (45) : absin., acon., ambr., aran., aran-s., arg-n., ars., bry., calc., carb-an., carc., caust., chin-ar., cimic., cocc., dulc., dys-co., falco-p., ign., kali-ar., kali-c., lac-d., lach., Lyc., lyss., manc., med., merc-i-f., morg., morg-g., nat-m., nat-s., nux-v., plb., psor., Puls., ruta, sep., staph., stram., succ., sulph., tab., til., valer.
MIND; FEAR; general; crowd, in a (K6, SRI-71, SRI-485, G5, G35) (60) : Acon., aloe, am-m., ambr., arg-n., arn., ars., ars-s-f., asaf., aur., aur-ar., aur-i., aur-s., bamb-a., bar-c., bar-s., bell., bufo, calc., carb-an., carc., caust., cic., con., dios., ferr., ferr-ar., ferr-p., graph., hep., hydr-ac., kali-ar., kali-bi., kali-c., kali-p., lac-cpr., lac-del., led., levo., lyc., morg., morg-g., nat-ar., nat-c., nat-m., nat-s., nux-v., petr., phos., plat., plb., PULS., rhus-t., sel., sil., stann., stram., sulph., tab., til.
GENERALITIES; CROWDED places agg. (K1398, SRII-566, G1153) (26) : ambr., ant-c., apisin., arg., arg-n., ars., bar-c., carb-an., con., hell., iod., kali-i., lil-t., lyc., mag-c., nat-c., nat-m., petr., phos., plb., puls., sabin., sep., stann., stram., sulph.
MIND; FEAR; general; trains and closed places (SRI-97, SRI-513, SRI-519) (9) : acon., arg-n., bar-c., cimic., dys-co., ferr., nat-m., puls., succ.
MIND; AILMENTS from; crowd, society, in (37) : agar., Ambr., Arg-n., ars., Bar-c., Bell., bov., Bry., Calc., calc-p., carb-an., carb-v., con., ham., hell., hydr., hyos., ign., iod., kali-i., lap-gr-m., Lyc., mag-c., Nat-c., Nat-m., pall., petr., phos., plat., Plb., Puls., rhus-t., Sep., stann., stram., sulph., Thuj.
all above rubrics combined into one:
Fear, in crowds, narrow closed places combined rubric: absin., Acon., agar., aloe, am-m., Ambr., ant-c., apisin., aran., aran-s., arg., Arg-n., arn., ars., ars-s-f., asaf., aur., aur-ar., aur-i., aur-s., bamb-a., Bar-c., bar-s., Bell., bov., Bry., bufo, Calc., calc-p., carb-an., carb-v., carc., caust., chin-ar., cic., cimic., cocc., con., dios., dulc., dys-co., falco-p., ferr., ferr-ar., ferr-p., graph., ham., hell., hep., hydr., hydr-ac., hyos., ign., iod., kali-ar., kali-bi., kali-c., kali-i., kali-p., lac-cpr., lac-d., lac-del., lach., lap-gr-m., led., levo., lil-t., Lyc.,
lyss., mag-c., manc., med., merc-i-f., morg., morg-g., nat-ar., Nat-c., Nat-m., nat-s., nux-v., pall., petr., phos., plat., Plb., psor., PULS., rhus-t., ruta, sabin., sel., Sep., sil., stann., staph., stram., succ., sulph., tab., Thuj., til., valer.
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"andyh@mcn.org" wrote:
Re: help finding rubrics
Apart from suggestions from others I would add - delusion encaged, delusion
crowded, fear of suffocation - just a few examples, there are probably many
more. Often a fear like this relates to some other issues in their life and
taking the fear at face value isn't always enough, always be asking "why".
Regards, Joy
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crowded, fear of suffocation - just a few examples, there are probably many
more. Often a fear like this relates to some other issues in their life and
taking the fear at face value isn't always enough, always be asking "why".
Regards, Joy
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Re: help finding rubrics
Hi Paula,
Is she completely fine in a tiny space if she is the *only* one there?
Is she completely fine in a crowd if there's plenty of room?
Does she have, or remembering having in the past, any fear of suffocation
under other circumstances?
One possibility would be mix-and-match three rubrics, "fear in a narrow
space", "fear in a crowd" and "fear of suffocation". But I have not had
good luck with "elimination" (so often wind up eliminating the needed remedy
-- sometimes it *should* be in rubrics it's not (meaning it is well known as
belonging there, or that you will find that sx in materia medica on the rx);
other times you won't find that symptom specifically mentioned for the
remedy -- but if the rx fits well in other ways, it may still work well.
So I might first try this "triple cross" and see if one of those fits well
in other ways. If not, I would rep the rest of the case, then add in the
three fears, and look for a rx that fits well in other ways and has one (or
two or three) of the fears also.
I think the main point is not to get too caught up in *any* single symptom;
use this claustrophobia as more of a confirmatory for an otherwise
well-suited remedy, rather than insisting on it as a starting point.
BTW did you see whether there's any plausible "reason" for her fear -- any
past experience of the type? Because if so, you might want to shift the
focus accordingly.
Shannon
on 3/12/03 1:19 PM, PDH at homeopath@cox-internet.com wrote:
Is she completely fine in a tiny space if she is the *only* one there?
Is she completely fine in a crowd if there's plenty of room?
Does she have, or remembering having in the past, any fear of suffocation
under other circumstances?
One possibility would be mix-and-match three rubrics, "fear in a narrow
space", "fear in a crowd" and "fear of suffocation". But I have not had
good luck with "elimination" (so often wind up eliminating the needed remedy
-- sometimes it *should* be in rubrics it's not (meaning it is well known as
belonging there, or that you will find that sx in materia medica on the rx);
other times you won't find that symptom specifically mentioned for the
remedy -- but if the rx fits well in other ways, it may still work well.
So I might first try this "triple cross" and see if one of those fits well
in other ways. If not, I would rep the rest of the case, then add in the
three fears, and look for a rx that fits well in other ways and has one (or
two or three) of the fears also.
I think the main point is not to get too caught up in *any* single symptom;
use this claustrophobia as more of a confirmatory for an otherwise
well-suited remedy, rather than insisting on it as a starting point.
BTW did you see whether there's any plausible "reason" for her fear -- any
past experience of the type? Because if so, you might want to shift the
focus accordingly.
Shannon
on 3/12/03 1:19 PM, PDH at homeopath@cox-internet.com wrote:
Re: help finding rubrics
> PDH wrote:
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also: (complete rep)
MIND; FEAR; general; narrow place, in, claustrophobia (K46, SRI-513, G37) (45) : absin., acon., ambr.,
aran., aran-s., arg-n., ars., bry., calc., carb-an., carc., caust., chin-ar., cimic., cocc., dulc.,
dys-co., falco-p., ign., kali-ar., kali-c., lac-d., lach., Lyc., lyss., manc., med., merc-i-f., morg.,
morg-g., nat-m., nat-s., nux-v., plb., psor., Puls., ruta, sep., staph., stram., succ., sulph., tab.,
til., valer.
MIND; FEAR; general; crowd, in a (K6, SRI-71, SRI-485, G5, G35) (60) : Acon., aloe, am-m., ambr., arg-n.,
arn., ars., ars-s-f., asaf., aur., aur-ar., aur-i., aur-s., bamb-a., bar-c., bar-s., bell., bufo, calc.,
carb-an., carc., caust., cic., con., dios., ferr., ferr-ar., ferr-p., graph., hep., hydr-ac., kali-ar.,
kali-bi., kali-c., kali-p., lac-cpr., lac-del., led., levo., lyc., morg., morg-g., nat-ar., nat-c.,
nat-m., nat-s., nux-v., petr., phos., plat., plb., PULS., rhus-t., sel., sil., stann., stram., sulph.,
tab., til.
GENERALITIES; CROWDED places agg. (K1398, SRII-566, G1153) (26) : ambr., ant-c., apisin., arg., arg-n.,
ars., bar-c., carb-an., con., hell., iod., kali-i., lil-t., lyc., mag-c., nat-c., nat-m., petr., phos.,
plb., puls., sabin., sep., stann., stram., sulph.
MIND; FEAR; general; trains and closed places (SRI-97, SRI-513, SRI-519) (9) : acon., arg-n., bar-c.,
cimic., dys-co., ferr., nat-m., puls., succ.
MIND; AILMENTS from; crowd, society, in (37) : agar., Ambr., Arg-n., ars., Bar-c., Bell., bov., Bry.,
Calc., calc-p., carb-an., carb-v., con., ham., hell., hydr., hyos., ign., iod., kali-i., lap-gr-m., Lyc.,
mag-c., Nat-c., Nat-m., pall., petr., phos., plat., Plb., Puls., rhus-t., Sep., stann., stram., sulph.,
Thuj.
all above rubrics combined into one:
Fear, in crowds, narrow closed places combined rubric: absin., Acon., agar., aloe, am-m., Ambr., ant-c.,
apisin., aran., aran-s., arg., Arg-n., arn., ars., ars-s-f., asaf., aur., aur-ar., aur-i., aur-s.,
bamb-a., Bar-c., bar-s., Bell., bov., Bry., bufo, Calc., calc-p., carb-an., carb-v., carc., caust.,
chin-ar., cic., cimic., cocc., con., dios., dulc., dys-co., falco-p., ferr., ferr-ar., ferr-p., graph.,
ham., hell., hep., hydr., hydr-ac., hyos., ign., iod., kali-ar., kali-bi., kali-c., kali-i., kali-p.,
lac-cpr., lac-d., lac-del., lach., lap-gr-m., led., levo., lil-t., Lyc.,
lyss., mag-c., manc., med., merc-i-f., morg., morg-g., nat-ar., Nat-c., Nat-m., nat-s., nux-v., pall.,
petr., phos., plat., Plb., psor., PULS., rhus-t., ruta, sabin., sel., Sep., sil., stann., staph., stram.,
succ., sulph., tab., Thuj., til., valer.
as per Joy's suggestions (complete rep only-sythesis will have more):
MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations; wires, is caught in (K24, K35, K1346, SRI-276, SRI-384, SRII-54, G20, G28, G1111) (3) : Cact., cimic., ust.
MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations; crowded with arms and legs, he is (SRI-260) (1) : pyrog.
MIND; FEAR; general; suffocation, of (K47, SRI-525, G37) (50) : Acon., acon-f., aeth., aether, agar., am-br., am-c., amyg-am., ant-t., apisin., arn., ars., arund., aur-m., bapt., bry., cact., carb-an., carb-v., chin., chlol., cub., dig., falco-p., graph., grin., ip., kali-i., lac-d., lach., lat-m., lob., lyc., Lyss., med., merc., merc-i-f., mosch., nux-v., phos., plan-m., puls., rob., samb., sil., spig., spong., staph., stram., sulph.
referenceworks searches:
Delusion in the same sentence as encaged/trapped: 3Arg., 2cimic., dendro-p., falco-p., germ., haliae-lc., 3Lac-eq., lap-c-b., 2lsd, ol-suc., phys., posit., spect., thuj.
Delusion in the same sentence as crowded: acon., 3Ambr., anac., ars., bell., bry., calc., cann-s., carb-an., caust., con., crot-h., eup-pur., graph., hell., lyc., merc., nat-acet., op., phos., plb., pyrog., ran-s., sep., stram., sulph., tab., tarent., verat.
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Apart from suggestions from others I would add - delusion encaged, delusion
crowded, fear of suffocation - just a few examples, there are probably many
more. Often a fear like this relates to some other issues in their life and
taking the fear at face value isn't always enough, always be asking "why".
Regards, Joy
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also: (complete rep)
MIND; FEAR; general; narrow place, in, claustrophobia (K46, SRI-513, G37) (45) : absin., acon., ambr.,
aran., aran-s., arg-n., ars., bry., calc., carb-an., carc., caust., chin-ar., cimic., cocc., dulc.,
dys-co., falco-p., ign., kali-ar., kali-c., lac-d., lach., Lyc., lyss., manc., med., merc-i-f., morg.,
morg-g., nat-m., nat-s., nux-v., plb., psor., Puls., ruta, sep., staph., stram., succ., sulph., tab.,
til., valer.
MIND; FEAR; general; crowd, in a (K6, SRI-71, SRI-485, G5, G35) (60) : Acon., aloe, am-m., ambr., arg-n.,
arn., ars., ars-s-f., asaf., aur., aur-ar., aur-i., aur-s., bamb-a., bar-c., bar-s., bell., bufo, calc.,
carb-an., carc., caust., cic., con., dios., ferr., ferr-ar., ferr-p., graph., hep., hydr-ac., kali-ar.,
kali-bi., kali-c., kali-p., lac-cpr., lac-del., led., levo., lyc., morg., morg-g., nat-ar., nat-c.,
nat-m., nat-s., nux-v., petr., phos., plat., plb., PULS., rhus-t., sel., sil., stann., stram., sulph.,
tab., til.
GENERALITIES; CROWDED places agg. (K1398, SRII-566, G1153) (26) : ambr., ant-c., apisin., arg., arg-n.,
ars., bar-c., carb-an., con., hell., iod., kali-i., lil-t., lyc., mag-c., nat-c., nat-m., petr., phos.,
plb., puls., sabin., sep., stann., stram., sulph.
MIND; FEAR; general; trains and closed places (SRI-97, SRI-513, SRI-519) (9) : acon., arg-n., bar-c.,
cimic., dys-co., ferr., nat-m., puls., succ.
MIND; AILMENTS from; crowd, society, in (37) : agar., Ambr., Arg-n., ars., Bar-c., Bell., bov., Bry.,
Calc., calc-p., carb-an., carb-v., con., ham., hell., hydr., hyos., ign., iod., kali-i., lap-gr-m., Lyc.,
mag-c., Nat-c., Nat-m., pall., petr., phos., plat., Plb., Puls., rhus-t., Sep., stann., stram., sulph.,
Thuj.
all above rubrics combined into one:
Fear, in crowds, narrow closed places combined rubric: absin., Acon., agar., aloe, am-m., Ambr., ant-c.,
apisin., aran., aran-s., arg., Arg-n., arn., ars., ars-s-f., asaf., aur., aur-ar., aur-i., aur-s.,
bamb-a., Bar-c., bar-s., Bell., bov., Bry., bufo, Calc., calc-p., carb-an., carb-v., carc., caust.,
chin-ar., cic., cimic., cocc., con., dios., dulc., dys-co., falco-p., ferr., ferr-ar., ferr-p., graph.,
ham., hell., hep., hydr., hydr-ac., hyos., ign., iod., kali-ar., kali-bi., kali-c., kali-i., kali-p.,
lac-cpr., lac-d., lac-del., lach., lap-gr-m., led., levo., lil-t., Lyc.,
lyss., mag-c., manc., med., merc-i-f., morg., morg-g., nat-ar., Nat-c., Nat-m., nat-s., nux-v., pall.,
petr., phos., plat., Plb., psor., PULS., rhus-t., ruta, sabin., sel., Sep., sil., stann., staph., stram.,
succ., sulph., tab., Thuj., til., valer.
as per Joy's suggestions (complete rep only-sythesis will have more):
MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations; wires, is caught in (K24, K35, K1346, SRI-276, SRI-384, SRII-54, G20, G28, G1111) (3) : Cact., cimic., ust.
MIND; DELUSIONS, imaginations; crowded with arms and legs, he is (SRI-260) (1) : pyrog.
MIND; FEAR; general; suffocation, of (K47, SRI-525, G37) (50) : Acon., acon-f., aeth., aether, agar., am-br., am-c., amyg-am., ant-t., apisin., arn., ars., arund., aur-m., bapt., bry., cact., carb-an., carb-v., chin., chlol., cub., dig., falco-p., graph., grin., ip., kali-i., lac-d., lach., lat-m., lob., lyc., Lyss., med., merc., merc-i-f., mosch., nux-v., phos., plan-m., puls., rob., samb., sil., spig., spong., staph., stram., sulph.
referenceworks searches:
Delusion in the same sentence as encaged/trapped: 3Arg., 2cimic., dendro-p., falco-p., germ., haliae-lc., 3Lac-eq., lap-c-b., 2lsd, ol-suc., phys., posit., spect., thuj.
Delusion in the same sentence as crowded: acon., 3Ambr., anac., ars., bell., bry., calc., cann-s., carb-an., caust., con., crot-h., eup-pur., graph., hell., lyc., merc., nat-acet., op., phos., plb., pyrog., ran-s., sep., stram., sulph., tab., tarent., verat.
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Apart from suggestions from others I would add - delusion encaged, delusion
crowded, fear of suffocation - just a few examples, there are probably many
more. Often a fear like this relates to some other issues in their life and
taking the fear at face value isn't always enough, always be asking "why".
Regards, Joy