LMs

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

The base potency of LMs is 3C!So we start with a 1 millionth dilution
We then dilute this to 1/50,000
On drop is then added to 500 poppy seeds
One poppy seed is dropped in about 150 ml of water.

Any one care to calculate the dilution??

Soroush
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[Gaby Rottler]

> The base potency of LMs is 3C!So we start with a 1 millionth

I calculated it a couple of years ago:
But to be correct, we have to calculate the LM1 like this:

First we have to prepare a trituration of a 3C
1:100x100x100
Second, we dissolve 1 gran (weight is about the same as a drop) in 500
drops.
1:501
Third, we take 1 drop of this LM0, and add 100 drops, and moisten 500
globules with it 1:101:501

So for reaching the LM1 we have a (polished) proportionality to the
mother substance:

1: (100x100x100x500x100x500) =
1: (25x100 e6).

So, an LM1 is - if one is simply measuring the amount - comparable to a
6C.

An LM2 would then be
1: (500x100x25x100 e6)=
1: (125x100 e8)
Which would then be more equivalent to a 9C.

Saying this, please take into account that we use 100(!) succussions
when preparing the LMs, while for the C-potencies only 2 or 10
succussions are used (various pharmacies, different methods).

And: we have not only ONE carrier substance (as in the C's) but 2 - and
in different forms. First the use of alcohol, then the dry globules.
Therefore, no wonder the actions are different.

Best,

Gaby

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[Dave Hartley]

Hi Soroush,

This appears to be erroneous
-we do *not* dilute to 1/50,000 (!) before placing drop on poppy-seed
granule...
the dividing of the one-drop over the 500 poppy-seed granules is an
intrinsic step in the dilution (!)
The base potency of 3C is diluted only 1/100 prior to further diluting to LM
potency by medicating 500 granules
(initial liquid dilution 100 x 500 granules[diluted by spreading 1 drop over
500 granules] =1/50,000)

A 150ml solution contains approximately ten tablespoon-doses, and so from
this angle you have a 1/10 dilution.
You are at liberty to further dilute this by taking one tablespoon of this
dilution and placing in an additional 135ml, for a 1/100 dilution.

This however, beggars the fact that all 150ml's of the water in either
example is essentially "at" LM01 "potency" in terms of the energetic charge;
the homeopathic imprint (whatever the heck it is impressed onto the
water.

Potency is unaffected here by dilution alone; dilution serves here to allow
infinite flexibility in the SIZE of the dose.
(I know you know this, but I'm still a little wound-up about those danged
x-rays

best regards,

Dave Hartley
www.Mr-Notebook.com
www.localcomputermart.com/dave
Seattle, WA 425.820.7443
Asheville, NC 828.285.0240

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Although I was taught roughly the same things about the use of LMs as Jeff
Sutherland, I have found David Little's ideas on the use of LMs more
sensible.

The dose should not be repeated too often - only as and when necessary.
The remedy is given and you judge the next move based on its action and the
patient's reaction.

If the patient is on medication (eg for BP control etc) then I agree there
is a tendency to repeat the remedy more often. But a CAREFUL eye needs to be
kept on the action of the remedy and the patient's reaction.

Many cases are spoilt by too much remedy.

Rgds
Soroush
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[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Shannon

The idea that LMs should not be used by beginners is just total rubbish.

Had Org 6 been available before Hn died, I do not think many people would
have used other potencies.

It is his PERFECTED method.
I do not see in the Organon Hn saying Hey beginners don't use this stuff!

LMs should not be repeated with out consideration. There must be a need to
repeat and a justification for it.
Some people may think they can prescribe LMs without thinking - no it does
not work that way.

See David Little's excellent articles on how LMs should be used.

Soroush
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[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks Soroush,

I've read David's excellent articles, and IMO they should be the basis for
anyone wanting to begin using LMs. If someone new to homeopathy (as well as
new to LMs) gets their start by studying and heeding David's instructions,
there will probably be no problem. So I suppose it depends on how one
defines "beginner".

I do see a problem with the added flexibility/complexity of LM dosing, and I
do not see any correspondending advantage. Are you suggesting that LMs
should be available off-the-shelf in the same way that low potencies are?

Shannon
on 1/28/05 10:42 AM, Finrod at finrod@webstar.co.uk wrote:

[Shannon Nelson]

Ouch, I should clarify that!
For *some* cases I certainly do see the advantage of LMs. But I do not see
any advantage to using LMs when Cs will work just as well, and most of the
time Cs work just fine, so far as I've seen. The simplicity and cost of Cs
is often a deciding factor for me, and no I would not stop there if I felt
there was an *advantage* in those cases to using LM instead. I think this
is another that will need to be left to individual judgment and the needs of
the case.

Perhaps Edition 7 (hee-hee, we all love those discussions, don't we?) would
have contained instructions for when to use LM and when to use Cs. (I speak
tongue-in-cheek; I will not presume to try to "predict" what his next moves
would have been!)


Shannon
on 1/28/05 11:38 AM, Bob&Shannon at shannonnelson@tds.net wrote:

[Ginny Wilken]

Of course, there are no restrictions on mail-ordering any LMs. But it
would be disingenuous to assume that any layman even comes close to
grasping the theory behind chronic prescribing, and LMs aren't
necessary for any "this-for-that" applications in any case. I would
hope that anyone approaching them would have educated themselves
sufficiently to deal with that flexibility, in which case they
certainly have as much right to use them as any other homeopath, with
the responsibility that comes along with any prescribing.
ginny
All stunts performed without a net!

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Ginny,

I completely agree--anyone who is ready to learn and use LMs should have the
right!
I guess, again, it comes back to the definition of "beginner". There are
folks using low Cs and learning gradually (at least *some* are!) who IMO
would really only make things harder (perhaps even riskier) by going thru
that process with LMs.

Personally, (again) I *like* Cs! I use all sorts of potencies--low C, high
C, LM, and occasionally X. I don't see the advantage in throwing out such a
useful chunk of the toolchest, that's all.

Best,
Shannon
on 1/28/05 11:48 AM, ginny wilken at gwilken@alamedanet.net wrote:

[Rosemary C Hyde PhD]

Several ways in which I find LMs are helpful:

In complex chronic cases, they create a gentle, gradual healing path with few if any adverse symptoms. Instead of aggravations serving as the main initial gauge of whether the remedy is working deeply, subtle energy shifts, dreams, and the direction of cure give very clear indicators by which the homeopath can judge the remedy's action. Contrary to what I've heard, I don't find they actually work any more slowly than centesimal potencies, which I do use when the person's vital force is strong, the remedy picture is clear, and the situation is not complicated by allopathic treatments and habitual use of potential remedy antidotes.

In addition -- and this is very important for many patients -- the fact that they can be repeated based on how the patient feels gives the patient a sense of participation in the healing process and also tends to diminish the frequency with which s/he is likely to forget about having taken the remedy and go do some other healing modality because they need to do something. It's especially helpful with anxious clients to keep them focused on the homeopathic treatment in this way.

Third, the ability to repeat doses helps to reduce the impediment likely to be posed by taking allopathic meds during the same time period as homeopathic remedies . Allopathic meds will still complicate and slow down the healing process, but the LM doses help to keep the client moving toward healing rather than just bogging down as often happens with C potencies in cases complicated by allopathic treatment.

For what it's worth, Rosemary