Dear All
I have all the messages since I Dec 2011 on my computer which gets regularly backed-up anyway.
My question is who amongst the members needs them and why do we need to preserve them?
Of course some messages of guidance are important – but has anyone searched the archives for them?
Regards
Soroush
Minutus archives
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Soroush Ebrahimi
- Moderator
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Re: Minutus archives
Via Soroush (Yahoo had problems handling this message!)
From: Janys [mailto:homeopathconsult@aol.com]
Sent: 28 November 2019 17:01
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Minutus archives
I have all the messages from 2000 from PG OFfline now, and they are an invaluable resource.
As Google, and servers, and everything else censoring all info on alternative health these days,
it may all we have left in the future.
Staying only on Yahoo , one wont be able to have an archive , and only depend on your email service.
We know how that goes transferring to new computers and now defunct email services and , puff, everything gone.
Jan
In a message dated 11/28/2019 11:50:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, minutus@yahoogroups.com writes:
From: Janys [mailto:homeopathconsult@aol.com]
Sent: 28 November 2019 17:01
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Minutus] Minutus archives
I have all the messages from 2000 from PG OFfline now, and they are an invaluable resource.
As Google, and servers, and everything else censoring all info on alternative health these days,
it may all we have left in the future.
Staying only on Yahoo , one wont be able to have an archive , and only depend on your email service.
We know how that goes transferring to new computers and now defunct email services and , puff, everything gone.
Jan
In a message dated 11/28/2019 11:50:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, minutus@yahoogroups.com writes:
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Hennie Duits
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Minutus archives
From another list:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/verizon-k ... s-history/
Hennie
Op 28-11-2019 om 17:40 schreef finrod@finrod.co.uk [minutus]:
https://www.zdnet.com/article/verizon-k ... s-history/
Hennie
Op 28-11-2019 om 17:40 schreef finrod@finrod.co.uk [minutus]:
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Shannon Nelson
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Re: Minutus archives
Wow, so it’s not just that they don’t want to bother, they actually want to kill it all. WHY??
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Tanya Marquette
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- Joined: Tue Oct 30, 2001 11:00 pm
Re: Minutus archives
Shannon
I think there is more than enough information in the public as well as practical experience that tells
us the Surveillance State is expanding exponentially. The efforts have been to move in on censuring
free public dialogue on social media as it is a great way to organize and share information that the MSM
will not. The MSM, remember is the propaganda pathway to control public information and opinion.
I think there is no mystery here. The only question is how long will it take for the general public to
a) face this reality, and b) figure out how it will respond to counter this.
t
I think there is more than enough information in the public as well as practical experience that tells
us the Surveillance State is expanding exponentially. The efforts have been to move in on censuring
free public dialogue on social media as it is a great way to organize and share information that the MSM
will not. The MSM, remember is the propaganda pathway to control public information and opinion.
I think there is no mystery here. The only question is how long will it take for the general public to
a) face this reality, and b) figure out how it will respond to counter this.
t
Re: Minutus archives
I have all the messages from 2000 from PG OFfline now, and they are an invaluable resource.
As Google, and servers, and everything else censoring all info on alternative health these days,
it may all we have left in the future.
Staying only on Yahoo , one wont be able to have an archive , and only depend on your email service.
We know how that goes transferring to new computers and now defunct email services and , puff, everything gone.
Jan
In a message dated 11/28/2019 11:50:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, minutus@yahoogroups.com writes:
As Google, and servers, and everything else censoring all info on alternative health these days,
it may all we have left in the future.
Staying only on Yahoo , one wont be able to have an archive , and only depend on your email service.
We know how that goes transferring to new computers and now defunct email services and , puff, everything gone.
Jan
In a message dated 11/28/2019 11:50:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, minutus@yahoogroups.com writes:
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Hennie Duits
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Re: Minutus archives
This message seems to indicate that Soroush doubts that all
contributions to this list between the start of the list (June 2000) and
2011 are worth saving/archiving.
I'll mention 3 *random* examples of what I feel is worth saving:
---
1.
Dear Merrilee, the whole essence behind Lycopodium is CONTROL. Control is
what drives them. Without this control they are weak, timid, cannot
socialise, become cowardly.This is the beginning of the pathology. Shannon
called him a benevolent dictator, I always call potential Lycos 'silent
tyrants'. It is much the same thing. They need to control, and in fact when
they are in control they can appear very confident and excel at what they
are doing. Lyc has the fear of public speaking but when they get up to do it
they pass with flying colours. It is when the lose the control in their
lives that they then become irritable, impatient, critical and domineering
to an nth degree. It all depends at what point of the chain they are at when
they come to see you.
Hope this helps
Best wishes, Joy
2.
Hi Sheila
Hope you are well.
You raise a important issue. In one of my student (people) cases
recently I wanted to give the remedy Ratt-n (the rat) (Nancy Herrick's
rat.-- There is also a Bombay rat proved by Jayesh Shah). I decided not
to tell the client the name of the remedy. This created a very bad
feeling between myself and the client. He kept insisting on knowing the
remedy. I did not want to tell him. I polled my colleagues and they were
divided 50-50 on whether to tell or not tell. My intention was to help
heal him but my thought was "he would not take it if he knew what it
was". I finally sent him an e mail saying I would tell him if he really
wanted to know, but by that time he just let it go. When I saw in for
the next follow up he was furious at the process and "being left out" of
the process. He is a control person.
(But I also felt I was in a power play and control situation with him
and felt guilty about that.)
I could understand him wanting to know what he was putting into his body.
So this is a big issue.
In the future I'm still not sure what I would do.
When this client and I talked further about it I realized he was really
saying that he wanted to know the reasons I gave the remedy (I'm not
sure he would have been happy with just that but that is what he said.)
I asked Jayesh Shah what he does in his practice in India. He said he
has a sign over his clinic door that says something like "If you don't
want to know the name of your remedy then come in."
I don't think we are obligated to tell the patient the name of the
remedy. Most do not care. Even when I explain the remedy to them they
don't get it. They all ask, but what's the remedy for?
Some care passionately. But if the client makes such a big deal out of
it, I think it's more important to preserve the relationship. After all
if they don't want to take it, that's their decision. What I have seen
in other student cases in the clinic I am part of, is that there are
patients that have refused to take all sorts of remedies (regardless of
the name, like thuja, apis, etc.) So perhaps the exact name is not the
reason they are refusing to take it. Perhaps it's their resistance to
getting well? Their need for control? Who knows?
Homeopathy is difficult to understand even sometimes for homeopaths. So
why should we expect that all our patients will understand how things
work. Often we may not have enough time to explain it thoroughly to
them. Is that really our job? Shouldn't they do some research on their
own to find out more. Do acupuncturists spend a half hour explaining how
acupuncture works to their clients? I often suggest websites
www.demystify.com (to download the book "Demystifying Homeopathy" and
give out that book to clients in the office.
I occasionally have given sac lac at the initial visit and label it
something else. What I found one of the few times I did it was the
client called a week later to tell me their was improvement in the
animal (I'm a veterinarian). The energy and appetite were greatly
improved, etc. This made me wonder about the placebo effect (on the
owner? on the animal?) on seeing me and my intention for healing? What
improved the animal? Hard to know. But raised some interesting questions
for me to think about. Still not sure. Perhaps they would have improved
without seeing me?
I don't do this as a common practice but felt that person needed to walk
out with something.
One of the problems is that at least in NYC many clients expect quick
fixes. As we know, many remedies work slowly and need time to germinate.
Therefore sometimes giving a dose of sac lac to help the client feel
they are getting something is not a terrible thing. (I personally do not
do this very often, but can see the reason for it.)
What I have found is if I don't give them something they start doing
things on their own and this can interfere with the process of cure. So
that's the dilemma.
What's the answer? There may be none. From my point of view, each case
has to be decided on an individual basis. I also agree there are no rules.
And Sheila, in the cases you specifically mentioned, there will always
be a range of experience and expertise in homeopaths. We are all growing
and developing at different levels. You might have spoken with the
homeopaths before referring your friends to them to ask about their
philosophy. That might have given you an idea of what your friends could
have expected. On the other hand, I have referred friends to people I
thought were good homeopaths and they were not helped by them. Not every
homeopath is going to help every client. And some excellent homeopaths
may need a few years to get to the right remedy for a particular client.
It doesn't mean they are not a good homeopath.
Again at the seminars Jayesh Shah has been presenting in NYC (He's
returning again in Sept. 2002), he has been presenting cases he has
worked with for years, unable to find the right remedy. He's showing us
how he finally is able to get to the right remedy after all his best
efforts.
So I wouldn't be so bold as to criticize other homeopaths who are doing
their best to find a remedy for someone. Perhaps Cann-i was the correct
remedy or appeared to be the correct remedy. Who are we to say what
might have been a better remedy? We were not there to take the case.
Another ethical question is "Can we allow ourselves the privilege of
doing our best to take the case and find the best remedy at the time and
then continue working the case patiently (getting help when we feel
stuck) and giving our patients our best efforts?" If all this does not
move the case to cure after a few remedies, have we failed? I don't
think so. Some cases/people take time to unfold. We have chosen a
difficult path. But a worthwhile one. So I'm in for the long haul.
I learn something new with every class or seminar or new book I read. I
wish I knew in the beginning what I know how. I am a better homeopath
now than I was a few years ago, but I still had successes back then. And
I still have "failures" now. Not every case is curable. Hopefully I have
more successes now. (And it takes me less time to find the remedy an see
the case and the main issues/problems more clearly).
I don't think we should judge other homeopaths so harshly if we feel
they had good intentions.
Other thoughts?
Best, Jill
Jill Elliot, DVM
3.
Well, actually, I have Karen, using potentized Merc along with
Selenium 8X (supportive during the detox) and chlorella supplement
to chelate and transport the toxic substance from the body. I know
of other practitioners who have used Hep. It's not classical, but
it's done, often in conjunction with adverse reactions to
vaccination relative to thimerosol preservative, but also for the
effects of mercury amalgam fillings. In addition, I select the
simillimum based on the client's presenting sx.
Toni
---
I feel it is a serious mistake to just let over 100.000 contributions
being wiped forever.
Hennie
Op 28-11-2019 om 17:40 schreef finrod@finrod.co.uk [minutus]:
contributions to this list between the start of the list (June 2000) and
2011 are worth saving/archiving.
I'll mention 3 *random* examples of what I feel is worth saving:
---
1.
Dear Merrilee, the whole essence behind Lycopodium is CONTROL. Control is
what drives them. Without this control they are weak, timid, cannot
socialise, become cowardly.This is the beginning of the pathology. Shannon
called him a benevolent dictator, I always call potential Lycos 'silent
tyrants'. It is much the same thing. They need to control, and in fact when
they are in control they can appear very confident and excel at what they
are doing. Lyc has the fear of public speaking but when they get up to do it
they pass with flying colours. It is when the lose the control in their
lives that they then become irritable, impatient, critical and domineering
to an nth degree. It all depends at what point of the chain they are at when
they come to see you.
Hope this helps
Best wishes, Joy
2.
Hi Sheila
Hope you are well.
You raise a important issue. In one of my student (people) cases
recently I wanted to give the remedy Ratt-n (the rat) (Nancy Herrick's
rat.-- There is also a Bombay rat proved by Jayesh Shah). I decided not
to tell the client the name of the remedy. This created a very bad
feeling between myself and the client. He kept insisting on knowing the
remedy. I did not want to tell him. I polled my colleagues and they were
divided 50-50 on whether to tell or not tell. My intention was to help
heal him but my thought was "he would not take it if he knew what it
was". I finally sent him an e mail saying I would tell him if he really
wanted to know, but by that time he just let it go. When I saw in for
the next follow up he was furious at the process and "being left out" of
the process. He is a control person.
(But I also felt I was in a power play and control situation with him
and felt guilty about that.)
I could understand him wanting to know what he was putting into his body.
So this is a big issue.
In the future I'm still not sure what I would do.
When this client and I talked further about it I realized he was really
saying that he wanted to know the reasons I gave the remedy (I'm not
sure he would have been happy with just that but that is what he said.)
I asked Jayesh Shah what he does in his practice in India. He said he
has a sign over his clinic door that says something like "If you don't
want to know the name of your remedy then come in."
I don't think we are obligated to tell the patient the name of the
remedy. Most do not care. Even when I explain the remedy to them they
don't get it. They all ask, but what's the remedy for?
Some care passionately. But if the client makes such a big deal out of
it, I think it's more important to preserve the relationship. After all
if they don't want to take it, that's their decision. What I have seen
in other student cases in the clinic I am part of, is that there are
patients that have refused to take all sorts of remedies (regardless of
the name, like thuja, apis, etc.) So perhaps the exact name is not the
reason they are refusing to take it. Perhaps it's their resistance to
getting well? Their need for control? Who knows?
Homeopathy is difficult to understand even sometimes for homeopaths. So
why should we expect that all our patients will understand how things
work. Often we may not have enough time to explain it thoroughly to
them. Is that really our job? Shouldn't they do some research on their
own to find out more. Do acupuncturists spend a half hour explaining how
acupuncture works to their clients? I often suggest websites
www.demystify.com (to download the book "Demystifying Homeopathy" and
give out that book to clients in the office.
I occasionally have given sac lac at the initial visit and label it
something else. What I found one of the few times I did it was the
client called a week later to tell me their was improvement in the
animal (I'm a veterinarian). The energy and appetite were greatly
improved, etc. This made me wonder about the placebo effect (on the
owner? on the animal?) on seeing me and my intention for healing? What
improved the animal? Hard to know. But raised some interesting questions
for me to think about. Still not sure. Perhaps they would have improved
without seeing me?
I don't do this as a common practice but felt that person needed to walk
out with something.
One of the problems is that at least in NYC many clients expect quick
fixes. As we know, many remedies work slowly and need time to germinate.
Therefore sometimes giving a dose of sac lac to help the client feel
they are getting something is not a terrible thing. (I personally do not
do this very often, but can see the reason for it.)
What I have found is if I don't give them something they start doing
things on their own and this can interfere with the process of cure. So
that's the dilemma.
What's the answer? There may be none. From my point of view, each case
has to be decided on an individual basis. I also agree there are no rules.
And Sheila, in the cases you specifically mentioned, there will always
be a range of experience and expertise in homeopaths. We are all growing
and developing at different levels. You might have spoken with the
homeopaths before referring your friends to them to ask about their
philosophy. That might have given you an idea of what your friends could
have expected. On the other hand, I have referred friends to people I
thought were good homeopaths and they were not helped by them. Not every
homeopath is going to help every client. And some excellent homeopaths
may need a few years to get to the right remedy for a particular client.
It doesn't mean they are not a good homeopath.
Again at the seminars Jayesh Shah has been presenting in NYC (He's
returning again in Sept. 2002), he has been presenting cases he has
worked with for years, unable to find the right remedy. He's showing us
how he finally is able to get to the right remedy after all his best
efforts.
So I wouldn't be so bold as to criticize other homeopaths who are doing
their best to find a remedy for someone. Perhaps Cann-i was the correct
remedy or appeared to be the correct remedy. Who are we to say what
might have been a better remedy? We were not there to take the case.
Another ethical question is "Can we allow ourselves the privilege of
doing our best to take the case and find the best remedy at the time and
then continue working the case patiently (getting help when we feel
stuck) and giving our patients our best efforts?" If all this does not
move the case to cure after a few remedies, have we failed? I don't
think so. Some cases/people take time to unfold. We have chosen a
difficult path. But a worthwhile one. So I'm in for the long haul.
I learn something new with every class or seminar or new book I read. I
wish I knew in the beginning what I know how. I am a better homeopath
now than I was a few years ago, but I still had successes back then. And
I still have "failures" now. Not every case is curable. Hopefully I have
more successes now. (And it takes me less time to find the remedy an see
the case and the main issues/problems more clearly).
I don't think we should judge other homeopaths so harshly if we feel
they had good intentions.
Other thoughts?
Best, Jill
Jill Elliot, DVM
3.
Well, actually, I have Karen, using potentized Merc along with
Selenium 8X (supportive during the detox) and chlorella supplement
to chelate and transport the toxic substance from the body. I know
of other practitioners who have used Hep. It's not classical, but
it's done, often in conjunction with adverse reactions to
vaccination relative to thimerosol preservative, but also for the
effects of mercury amalgam fillings. In addition, I select the
simillimum based on the client's presenting sx.
Toni
---
I feel it is a serious mistake to just let over 100.000 contributions
being wiped forever.
Hennie
Op 28-11-2019 om 17:40 schreef finrod@finrod.co.uk [minutus]:
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Hennie Duits
- Posts: 494
- Joined: Thu Jun 19, 2003 10:00 pm
Re: Minutus archives
If Soroush (finrod) decides not to act (in time), each Minutus member
should decide what to do.
Hennie
Op 12-12-2019 om 2:18 schreef Hennie Duits he.duits@kpnmail.nl [minutus]:
should decide what to do.
Hennie
Op 12-12-2019 om 2:18 schreef Hennie Duits he.duits@kpnmail.nl [minutus]:
Re: Minutus archives
I have over a thousand conversations saved on my e mails from minutus. Many others must have saved ones as we saw from hennie. Whatever happens.. where we end up.. how will we find out where that is. Anyone have a list of all members to notify all of us ?
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Victoria Mashevsky
- Posts: 186
- Joined: Sun Nov 01, 2009 11:00 pm
Re: Minutus archives
Agree - that was a time of free sharing of the information. And now everyone who has something to say wants to be paid. Yahoo just could not leave this available to anyone, I am sure they will in time recover, clean up and put a price tag on what other people wrote.
Victoria M-Sky
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Victoria M-Sky
about.me/VictoriaM