metallicum vs. carbonicum

[Shannon Nelson]

I'd like to understand why a friend was prescribed strontium met rather than
strontium carb? Academic curiosity, basically, but i'm not able to ask the
homeopath. Can anyone suggest possible reasons, help me understand what's
defining about carbonicums in general, versus metallicums in general?

Thanks,
Shannon

[alpha_panthera1]

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rather than
ask the
what's
general?
Shannon
- Are you sure the reason was - or there should be - a "general
defining something" and not
just the match of symptoms ?
Regards,
Panthera

[Rochelle]

Hi Shannon,
Here are a few bits I have managed to paste from "Elements"

Regards,
Rochelle

Strontium represents the age of adolescence. This is the age when one
ventures out into the new, with the full knowledge that if one is faced with
a problem, one could always come back. What Strontium looks for is guidance,
that is, an experienced person's help to chart out the unknown, someone to
rely on if there is a problem.
Feeling observed as an artist or scientist, doctor.
Appraising people on their artistic talents.
Criticised on their ideas.
Criticising the artifacts of others:the art critic.
Appreciating mysticism.
Uncertain about their own creations.
Finding one's space in religion.
Adapting to other people's ideas:overwhelmed.
Remaining passive so as not to attract the attention.
Protecting yourself against other people's ideas:stubborn.
Passive in speech:silent.
Picture of Strontium metallicum
Essence:uncertain about showing your talents or art.
Carbonicum
Value Meaning
Self-worth Worthy
Unstable Shy
Hyper emotional
Ordinary
Rigid
Worker
Father
God

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[Dave Hartley]

Strontium met is 'tiny' 50 rubrics in Synthesis 8 repertory.
Strontium-c - 1611 rubrics.

Likely this is your answer in this case.
Dave Hartley
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Asheville, NC 828.285.0240

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Panthera,

Actually the homeopath that prescribed this practices (at least did at that
time) in a rather unusual way (*heavy* on Scholten and Klein, but proudly
lacking in what I would call "the basics"). Because of this, I rather think
it might *not* have been on the usual sort of "symptom-matching". Esp.
since there seems to be no information on strontium met *except* what's in
Scholten's book (thanks, Rochelle!). Plenty on strontium carb, tho. Hence
my question...

Ehhh, don't ask me to explain this; you don't want to get as confused about
it as *I* have gotten (wry smile)!

on 11/11/02 8:00 AM, alpha_panthera1 at alpha.panthera@homeopathyhome.net
wrote:

[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks, Rochelle!
Do you see where he might say anything about "carbonicums" or "metallicums"?
Shannon

on 11/11/02 12:01 PM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote:

[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks, Dave,
My Complete has no rubrics for it.
If it's not too much trouble, could you put up the Synthesis rubrics for me?
Thanks!
Shannon
on 11/11/02 5:09 PM, Dave Hartley at dave@localcomputermart.com wrote:

[Dave Hartley]

Hi Shannon,

Not much trouble..
Radar extraction from Synthesis 8 repertory, a few keystrokes & a couple of
seconds to process
Strontimum met
MIND - ANGER - sudden
MIND - DELUSIONS - criminals, about
MIND - FEAR - high places, of
MIND - FEAR - narrow place, in
MIND - FORGETFUL
MIND - HAUGHTY
MIND - SENSITIVE - criticism; to
MIND - SHRIEKING
FEMALE GENITALIA/SEX - MENOPAUSE
FEMALE GENITALIA/SEX - MENSES - copious
BACK - COLDNESS
EXTREMITIES - COLDNESS - Foot
EXTREMITIES - OSTEOPOROSIS - Thigh
SLEEP - SLEEPINESS
SLEEP - SLEEPLESSNESS
SLEEP - SLEEPLESSNESS - frightened easily
DREAMS - FALLING
DREAMS - FIRE
DREAMS - HIGH places
SKIN - TENSION - scratching; after
GENERALS - EVENING
GENERALS - NIGHT - midnight - after - 3 h
GENERALS - AIR - draft - agg.
GENERALS - AIR - open air - amel.
GENERALS - BATHING - agg.
GENERALS - COLD - agg.
GENERALS - COLD - air - agg.
GENERALS - DARKNESS - agg.
GENERALS - EATING - while - amel.
GENERALS - FOOD and DRINKS - alcoholic drinks - agg.
GENERALS - FOOD and DRINKS - beer - desire
GENERALS - FOOD and DRINKS - brandy - desire
GENERALS - FOOD and DRINKS - bread - desire
GENERALS - FOOD and DRINKS - meat - aversion
GENERALS - FOOD and DRINKS - milk - desire
GENERALS - HEAT - flushes of
GENERALS - LEAN people
GENERALS - LIGHT - amel.
GENERALS - LOSS - blood; of
GENERALS - LYING - amel.
GENERALS - MOTION - agg.
GENERALS - PERSPIRATION - during - amel.
GENERALS - SEASONS - winter; in - agg.
GENERALS - SIDE - left
GENERALS - TIME table; generalized - 3 h
GENERALS - UNDRESSING agg.; after
GENERALS - WALKING - agg.
GENERALS - WARM - wraps - amel.
GENERALS - WEATHER - wet weather - agg.
GENERALS - WET - getting - head

I guess The Complete isn't
Dave Hartley
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Seattle, WA 425.820.7443
Asheville, NC 828.285.0240

[Rochelle]

Found this in "Minerals"!! But I think "metallicums" is rather broad!!!!
Regards,
Rochelle

REMEDY NAME:The Carbonicums
The Carbonicums all contain Carbon. All organic materials are built up
around
Carbon chains. Carbon is therefore a very important element in life. The
remedies belonging to this group are: Graph, Calc, Mag-c, Kali-c., Nat-c,
Bar-c, Lith-c, Stront-c, Am-c, Carb-v, Carb-a., and Carb-s. Closely related
are the remedies made out of crude oil, such as petroleum, benzenum, benzin,
benzoic acid, kreosotum, trinitroluene, Ammonium benzoicum and eupion.

When we are looking at the common characteristics of these remedies, it will
be useful to start with Graphites, as this is made purely out of Carbon.
There are two Graphites types. The first one is the stiff, hardworking
person
who knows what he wants and just gets on with it. The other type is very
unstable, someone who gets upset by every little incident. The common theme
in both types is the meaning and the values they give to life. The first
type
has a fixed set of values, the second type has nothing fixed, he lets
himself
be tossed around like a leaf in the wind. This theme of giving meaning is
the
main theme of the Carbonicums. They have problems with the meaning of their
existence, their life. They are looking for a meaning in everything and
placing values is most important to them.

We find the theme of meaning and values in all Carbonicums. One of the most
important things to find the meaning of is yourself, your own life. That is
why the second theme is self worth. In Kali-c, for instance, the meaning of
life is sticking to his principles and doing his duty. That is what gives
him
his self worth. Patients often cannot name this meaning because it is so
general, filling their whole life; they usually say 'I just do it'.

A third theme is the theme of dignity. It is logical that people who are so
preoccupied with their self worth can also be very dignified, even a little
aristo-cratic. This is well known about Kali-c and Nat-c, but the other
Carbonicums, in their own way, can also carry themselves with dignity.

One expression of the theme of self worth is shyness. Their self-worth can
be
undermined quite easily. 'Timidity' is the rubric in which the Carbonicums
are most strongly represented. It is also no coincidence that the Silicates
are the second most represented group in this rubric. Carbon and Silica are
chemically closely related. The shyness and the dignity are two sides of the
same coin. The underlying theme is self worth and giving meaning to life.

The next theme of the Carbonicums can be found in the area of work and
profession. They are hard workers. This has partly to do with social
standing. But also they are quite unselfish, as Morrison (1988, page 15)
describes. The problem is not who they are and what they possess, it isnt
selfishness or materialism. It is rather that they find in their work a
meaning for their existence.

The final theme is that of the father figure. All previous themes can be
brought back to this: meaning, dignity, work, social position. In practice,
these remedies often prove to have had problems with father figures or
authorities. In Graphites the father is there, but he is separate from the
family, he is always away, only loosely connected. In Nat-c the father can
be
completely absent. In Mag-c there can be a power struggle with the father or
with the authorities.
The connection between the father and the giving of meaning to life can also
be found in mythology. Campbell (1991) says: 'Finding the father has to do
with finding your own character and destination. Some say that you inherit
your character from your father and your body, and often your mind, from
your
mother. Finding your destiny can thus be symbolised by the quest to find
your
father'.

Physique : overweight
Temperature : cold, > heat, < cold, < damp.
Time : < 7 pm.
Desires : sweet.
General : < exertion, climbing stairs.

Complaints in the occiput.
Perspiration of the feet.
Bone problems: weakness, osteoporosis, fractures
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[Shannon Nelson]

Beautiful, Rochelle -- thankyou!!!
That's just what I was hoping for!
Shannon

PS -- In case others are interested, here's something I found re heavy
metals:

To: "homeosg@egroups.com"
From: "Dr.Suriya Osman"
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 08:34:58 +0800

HEAVY METALS.

Argentum
Aurum
Stannum
Thallium
Platinum
Palladium
Plumbum
Cuprum

PERSONALITY. Those who have reached the expression of syphilitic miasm.
Sycotic miasm in the background.

CONDITION. Slow, progressive, deep seated pathological condition
almost leading to incurability. Illness of vital organs of body i.e.
CNS, Heart, Kidney, etc.

CONSTITUTION :- Emaciation, looking much more older than age. Weakness,
almost going to paralysis.

AILMENTS FROM:-
I. Suppressions.
Uninterrupted Grief.
Stocks, disappointments.
Suppression due to drugs (steroids, anti-inflammatory,
immunosuppressive drugs, etc.)
Radiation
Suppression of discharges.
Surgical suppression

II. Stimulants
Alcohol.
Tobacco.

III. Past history of syphilis or gonorrhoea.

IV. Sexual indulgence. Sexual Neurasthenia.

V. Symptoms of mind acquired from physical suppressions.

PATHOLOGY. Either inflammation leading to degeneration (common metals) or
Inflammation leading to induration (noble group of metals)

Sphere of action: Reproductive organs. Heart. Connective tissue

CHARACTERISTICS.

In metals, mental symptoms are concomitants.

Symptoms develop gradually or suddenly rise up and come down gradually.
Sycotic background -> Syphilitic state.

Pain, very high intensity. Progress is slow. Relief is gradual.
Constant dull continuous pain maddening type of pain. Patient becomes
neurotic with pain. Pain Hard pressure,

Useful in acute exacerbation of a chronic condition.

Opposite states as a result of toxic effects of metals. Initially
hyperactive state of system (because of rejection by the system) which is
seen as cold application.

Mental.
Personalities :- From cultured families.
HIGH EGO. Live their life like a king.
< CONTRADICTION++.
Desire for pleasure and power. Can do anything for pleasure and
power.
Develops personality disorders.

In Aurum - Heart affected, suicidal tendency.
In Argentum - Anxiety
In Platina - Hysteria
In Palladium - Mixture of all the above

Love for money & Power
Initially very hopeful (Tub miasm)
Depressive mania. Endogenous depression
Schizophrenia. Hysteria
Neurotic state, Anxiety neurosis. (Arg Nit)
Phobias (Arg Nit)
Restless, Impatient, walking; running.
Suicidal by jumping out of window.
on 11/12/02 5:44 AM, rochelle at rochelle@ntlworld.com wrote: