vaccines THREATS

[Tanya Marquette]

And here is another one of interest talking about Medical Fascism. Again very germaine to the US.

https://jeffreydachmd.com/2018/08/italy ... l-fascism/
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[Ellen Madono]

Because vaccines are a form of allopathy, we need to be well informed and thoughtful about the consequences of vaccines. We need to be able to speak to allopaths who believe that they are well informed. Our position is not the same as the position of our patients.

I stir up tremendous flack from people who are supposed to be on my side (like my husband and my kids) by bringing up the topic of vaccines. I need a nuanced argument that considers public health concerns. I should not sound like a fear mongering allopath. Just because my friends on Minutus toe the hard line of the anti-vaccination group, that does not help me to survive in a "rational" discussion with my family.

So for starters I have some questions,

1. Dead bacteria, virus are not the same as the live ones. So what is the difference in terms of effect and dangers to the patient?
2. Are the dangerous preservatives still in the vaccines?
3. Is there any rationale that makes sense for not allowing children to get diseases that give them life long immunity as opposed to short term immunity so they can get something like the mumps as an adult when their immunity has run out? If doctors argue that they have to catch the little babies while they have them captive in well-baby clinics, then how can they believe that adults will come in for booster shots for a disease that the general population believes they should be immune to because of vaccines? Adults are much more wary of doctors than babies and young moms are. Adult mumps is a much more serious illness than childhood mumps. That is only one example of a immunization that does not work anyway.

Best,
Ellen Madono

[Soroush Ebrahimi]

Dear Ardavan

Thank you for your quick reply and IMPORTANTLY for taking part in the exchanges on Minutus.
Would you mind giving examples of vaccines that you regard as safe and I will the research them.
Vaccines have been based on a big lie and masses of deaths and injury.
My wife and her 3 sisters have not been vaccinated.

I was a very strongly pro-vaccination. And I used to ask my father-in-law why his daughters had not been vaccinated and he would not answer me.

One day when we were alone together I pestered him so much that he told me this story. During WW2 he had been stationed in North Africa and was in charge of the final physical training of soldiers going forward to fight the German and Italian forces. He said that he was allowed to come back to UK a year after the war had finished.
He said during that year some people came and vaccinated the children of the tribes near their camps and soon afterwards many if not all of the children died. Witnessing this he decided that he would not vaccinate his children.
When you study the history of these vaccines, you realise that the same picture has been repeated in many poor countries - especially in South America.
When you study DPT and how many children died soon after vaccination with DPT (as long as 28 days after vaccination) I am surprised strong alarm bells were not rung. But instead those whistle blowers has resources with drawn from them.

One such case is that of Dr Viera Scheibner

www.vaccination.inoz.com/speakerprofiles.html
As part of her investigation into sudden infant Death syndrome (SIDs) (or Cot death) Viera joined forces with a medical instrument maker to produce a device to monitor the heart and breathing rates of new borns and to alarm if these rates deviated from norms. After developmental work these units were produced and via GPs were distributed to mums who had recently given birth.
After sometime they had a report that a unit had alarmed. They visited the family, asked if anything out ordinary had happened? NO! Was the answer. They checked the unit and its battery, all OK. Then over a short period more and more of the units alarmed and all the families reported nothing out of the ordinary in their lives. Until one mum remarked that her baby had recently been given a DPT shot. Viera quickly revisited all the families where the units had alarmed and found that they had been vaccinated with DPT with a pattern of alarming (if I remember correctly) something like 1st, 3rd, 7th, 11th, 14th, 21st and 28th night after vaccination.
At great expense of time and money and through the co-operation of coroners she visited all the families that had lost a baby to cot-death (some parents even went to jail accused of shaking their babies) and checked if they had been vaccinated and how many days before death. She found that the deaths occurred on the same pattern as the alarms on their units.

(One mum (a lawyer) lost 2 babies to cot-death, was prosecuted for having killed the babies. She was imprisoned but eventually on appeal was found not guilty and released – but the experience became too much for her and very sadly she committed suicide.)
When she reported the findings, one would expect that DPT vaccination would be seriously reviewed. Instead her monitor units were withdrawn!
The Japanese Government took heed and they do not vaccinate until a child is 2 years old. They rank as one of the counties with few baby deaths.

In US they vaccinate with many vaccines in the first 30 days and they have baby mortality rates on par with 3rd World countries.
So I await to see the list of vaccines you regards as safe.
Highest regards

Soroush
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Sent: 19 January 2019 06:24
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Subject: Re: [Minutus] vaccines THREATS
Dear Soroush,
As I wrote in my email, I agree with the fact that there may be complications following vaccination; esp. those prepared from attenuated viral agents (your examples are all related to this type of vaccines). The point is that you cannot attribute these complications to the whole concept of vaccination. We should consider each vaccine separately and study the complications and the statistics related to its complications. And regarding the remedies; Thuja that was once considered as the simillimum to ‘cow pox’ complications, cannot be considered as the simillimum to all problems following vaccines. The picture of specific ‘genus epidemicus’ is applicable to this issue too. I understand your emotions, but we should be cautious not to fall into generalization fallacy. Still considering the possible complications following vaccination, we should decide whether the benefits overcome the risks or not.
Please feel free to write to me in case of any ambiguity felt in my email.
Regards,
Ardavan
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[Ellen Madono]

Nice question

[Leilanae]

Hi Soroush,

Your comment: "In US they vaccinate with many vaccines in the first 30 days and they have baby mortality rates on par with 3rd World countries."
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Hi Soroush,
I'm near Los Angeles, Ca., US
In a survey of elementary schools, in an upscale community, there is a 35% or less vaccinated rate by choice.
This is not typical for all schools in the Los Angeles area, but does show some positive progress.
Atb,
Leilanae

[Shannon Nelson]

Hi Leilanae,

But Los Angeles area (and coastal California in general) is very non-typical for the US. Overall there has been increasing awareness of vaccine issues, but also increasing polarization, and increasing “shaming” of parents who choose not to vaccinate.

IMO the polarization and the shaming — whichever way it goes — is very destructive, and makes actual exploration and conversation increasingly unlikely.

Which, in addition, makes “truth” increasingly elusive for us all.

Converse, explore, be curious, and respect differing opinions.
Sigh, that’s what I say… (And I know that in you, I am “preaching to the choir! lol)

Shannon

[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

1. Attenuated strains can be reactivated by their environment or under the influence of other strains, creating the original disease back or creating a more complex strain, more difficult to treat.

2. Yes

3. If you look at old paediatric textbook, children's diseases, now labelled dangerous killers, are just that: stages of the build-up on correct immunity with the notion that some children will have complications and even death...reinforcing the idea that the best protection is a strong immune system...and that if and when a benign disease starts getting out of hand, we are always there to take care of it; we do not send those kids into the wilderness!
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD
"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Leilanae]

Hi Shannon,

So far the conversation has been about the problem - vaccine poisoning/side effects.
I was trying to mention something about a known group success to help move towards solution. Any ideas about how to go about this?

Atb,

Leilanae

Is it snowing there???

[Leilanae]

Hi again Shannon,

Maybe change the word "shaming" to manipulating?

Atb,

Leilanae