a sticky prescribing problem

[Shannon Nelson]

What are some possible lines of thought when someone who usually responds just fine to remedies -- neither over- nor under-sensitive -- has a violently bad response (and one not followed by any curative action) to a particular remedy, which their "state" seems to very clearly be calling for?

That the "aggravations" were not followed by amelioration suggests that the remedy selection was simply wrong, doesn't it?

But why such a violent response (rather than the more usual "nothing")? I've had this come up with two people. One was myself, and I've just never taken the remedy again, though in the past it had been helpful.

The second is current, a friend who is now again seeming to show a clear need for the remedy we gave up on years ago (after a Nat-m 6c dose brought on a seizure, three times in a row! (She is epileptic, but "only sometimes") Because I just couldn't imagine it was anything other than coincidence, until the "three strikes" last time.

She normally responds just fine to remedies; neither over- nor under-sensitive. But nat-m keeps looking indicated, but seems to have struck out.

I could suggest dilution cups (which she would refuse to do). Or Fibonacci -- but this is not the usual sort of posology issue, so I wonder if it's instead indication for a nosode (not exactly "fails to act..."), or maybe a remedy which is "different enough to matter" but also matched to that same prescribing picture. I wonder what would happy with Fibonacci, if the remedy is simply wrong?

Any thoughts or similar experiences?

Thanks,
Shannon

[Rochelle]

In the first case – were the aggravations of her current complaint or provings of the remedy?
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 16 January 2016 20:26
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Minutus] a sticky prescribing problem
What are some possible lines of thought when someone who usually responds just fine to remedies -- neither over- nor under-sensitive -- has a violently bad response (and one not followed by any curative action) to a particular remedy, which their "state" seems to very clearly be calling for?

That the "aggravations" were not followed by amelioration suggests that the remedy selection was simply wrong, doesn't it?

But why such a violent response (rather than the more usual "nothing")? I've had this come up with two people. One was myself, and I've just never taken the remedy again, though in the past it had been helpful.

The second is current, a friend who is now again seeming to show a clear need for the remedy we gave up on years ago (after a Nat-m 6c dose brought on a seizure, three times in a row! (She is epileptic, but "only sometimes") Because I just couldn't imagine it was anything other than coincidence, until the "three strikes" last time.

She normally responds just fine to remedies; neither over- nor under-sensitive. But nat-m keeps looking indicated, but seems to have struck out.

I could suggest dilution cups (which she would refuse to do). Or Fibonacci -- but this is not the usual sort of posology issue, so I wonder if it's instead indication for a nosode (not exactly "fails to act..."), or maybe a remedy which is "different enough to matter" but also matched to that same prescribing picture. I wonder what would happy with Fibonacci, if the remedy is simply wrong?

Any thoughts or similar experiences?

Thanks,
Shannon

[Shannon Nelson]

The first one actually was me, maybe ten years ago. The reaction was basically a really horrible cough, racking, painful, lasted a few days. I assumed it was coincidence and tried the dose again a week or 2 later, with even more horrible result, along similar lines.

Definitely not agg of anything I was currently having, but it does look like it could have been a proving.
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[Rochelle]

Did you look up the MM of the remedy to see if the symptoms really were a proving of the remedy. If so I would have repeated the remedy in another potency with diluting glasses.
Rochelle
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Sent: 16 January 2016 21:13
To: 'Rochelle' rochellemarsden@talktalk.net [minutus]
Subject: RE: [Minutus] a sticky prescribing problem
The first one actually was me, maybe ten years ago. The reaction was basically a really horrible cough, racking, painful, lasted a few days. I assumed it was coincidence and tried the dose again a week or 2 later, with even more horrible result, along similar lines.
Definitely not agg of anything I was currently having, but it does look like it could have been a proving.
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[Dr. Joe Rozencwajg, NMD]

I would be very careful....is there another way to approach the case, leading to another remedy, related but different?

From what I read, as I never experienced that situation personally, this can happen when the remedy is close but no cigar, more remedy choice than potency....

Joe,

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz

[Dale Moss]

Looks like Nat-m. but has convulsions... have you considered Ignatia?
Peace,
Dale

[Maria Bohle]

Might want to check out Aqua Marina. It is very close to nat mur

[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks Maria, that's been in my mind too. I wish I knew the remedy better, and I wish it were something she could get quickly.

But I'll explore it more. What has your experience with it been -- especially how its use differs from Nat-m?
From: "Maria Bohle mtbohle@gmail.com [minutus]"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 9:37:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] a sticky prescribing problem
Might want to check out Aqua Marina. It is very close to nat mur

[Shannon Nelson]

I'd say it looks like a proving. I don't remember any M/E symptoms produced at that time, only the respiratory (it was quite a while back), but the nature of the cough and etc. seems to fit well to what I find in the rubric extraction.
Re the potency, I wish now that I had tried dilution glasses for the second attempt. It didn't occur to me. Actually, I assumed the illness was simply an illness, and the timing was simply coincidence. Silly me...

But -- the fact that there was *no* improvement after things settled down, neither the first time nor the second, and also that the second event was worse than the first, to me that makes it seem more like the remedy choice was simply wrong. But maybe (echoing what Dale said) one that runs close enough to elicit a strong response, yet not close enough to elicit a *healing* response. Still puzzling...
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From: "'Rochelle' rochellemarsden@talktalk.net [minutus]"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 3:26:18 PM
Subject: RE: [Minutus] a sticky prescribing problem
Did you look up the MM of the remedy to see if the symptoms really were a proving of the remedy. If so I would have repeated the remedy in another potency with diluting glasses.
Rochelle
From: minutus@yahoogroups.com [mailto:minutus@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 16 January 2016 21:13
To: 'Rochelle' rochellemarsden@talktalk.net [minutus]
Subject: RE: [Minutus] a sticky prescribing problem
The first one actually was me, maybe ten years ago. The reaction was basically a really horrible cough, racking, painful, lasted a few days. I assumed it was coincidence and tried the dose again a week or 2 later, with even more horrible result, along similar lines.
Definitely not agg of anything I was currently having, but it does look like it could have been a proving.
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[Shannon Nelson]

Thanks Joe,
Yes, that makes sense to me -- and I'm realizing I need to get more details from her. Nat-m was and is a really easy "to-go" for her situation, and there it was covering her other symptoms so neatly -- but I'm guessing now that I need to flesh out some "details' with her, and question some of the assumptions that I'm not realizing I was making.
Thanks for the thoughts.
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From: "'Dr. J Rozencwajg, NMD' jroz@ihug.co.nz [minutus]"
To: minutus@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2016 4:24:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Minutus] a sticky prescribing problem
I would be very careful....is there another way to approach the case, leading to another remedy, related but different?

From what I read, as I never experienced that situation personally, this can happen when the remedy is close but no cigar, more remedy choice than potency....

Joe,
Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

www.naturamedica.co.nz