Case work using Mangialavori

[Ellen Madono]

Hi,

Has anyone had good results using the remedy descriptions from Mangialavori?

I am taking his internet seminar. I am jumping in to the seminar about 2 years late. I have been reading his books for years just because they are so interesting. Also his book Praxis was very helpful in describing his assumptions. Unfortunately, I have never his purely clinical insights when I am analyzing real cases. His general information may be at the back of my mind, but some of the startling things that he says about particular remedies have so far not surfaced in my case analysis. Of course he is well informed about the history of homeopathy and proving symptoms. So he doesn't just use his own clinical work. But he has many insights that go far beyond proving symptoms and are based on his clinical experience. Most teachers are like that, but most are not so systematic in describing how they organize clinical information.

Anyway, I am wondering if anyone has had an improvement in their homeopathy case thinking and analysis based on Mangialavori's insights?

I'm thinking of subscribing to another year of lectures just because it's so interesting. But I really would like to hear if it has been useful for anyone.

Best,
Ellen Madono

[Maria Bohle]

I took his Post Grad course. He is fantastic. Yes his remedy pictures are accurate.

[Ellen Madono]

Thanks Maria. I will keep plowing ahead. I just needed a little encouragement. It is hard doing this with no social support.

Ellen Madono

[Dale Moss]

Hi, Ellen
Like Maria, I've been studying with Mangialavori for years now. I'm always impressed by how his cases make the remedy come to life, as well as by how gently and respectfully he takes a case, something you're probably not seeing on his webinar.
I just finished writing an article on somatized emotions in which my main illustration was a case that needed Sepia. This woman was not at all like the "washerwoman" image of Sepia; it was from Massimo's understanding of sea remedies and how beautifully her language displayed those themes that I was able to find the remedy.
Peace,
Dale

[Maria Bohle]

Yes, Dale.
If Massimo taught me anything, and I can assure you he greatly improved my understanding and prescribing abilities, mostly I learned not to be a slave to proving symptoms only.

Perhaps I can explain better. If we took a movie and took one still picture of the movie - let's say the Wizard of Oz as most people know it - we could look at Dorothy, the Tin man, the Scarecrow and the Lion linking arms on the yellow brick road. That is a Keynote. A picture of the feel or important elements of the movie. But if we can understand the theme we may be able to see it in a small girl with a basket with her dog.

Remedies are the same way. A theme or keynotes covering the important sx and pathology but in understanding the case you need less to bring you to the correct theme

Mangialavori works with themes. Once you understand the themes you can make the jump to one of those flying monkeys.

When you understand Aurum has experienced a crushing irrepairable loss and Natrums strategy is to minimize loss by holding everything in. You can Rx AurMur Nat as a remedy and bring about a cure in a patient who cried daily for 20 years (private tears) over her mothers death.
Massimo is excellent.
Maria

[Dale Moss]

Lovely analogy, Maria. I've always thought of Massimo's themes as enabling us to see the forest, instead of being overwhelmed by the trees.

Peace,
Dale
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[Irene de Villiers]

Dale,

Please.....What do you mean by "washerwoman" sepia?

.....Irene
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[Irene de Villiers]

Maria, Can you give a more direct explanation please - I am interested but have no clue who/what Wizard of Oz is about.
..Irene
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[Ellen Madono]

Hi Dale,

Hope you will put your article up in public.
I was listening to umbrefella descriptions yesterday and thinking of a number of conium cases. None were close to mentally deficient and several were brilliant. I was thinking this kind of description must exist on a spectrum. For example, Socrates some suppose was close to the remedy that was used to execute him.
The kind of detail that Mangialavori provides suggests superb case taking. Someday I will take his classes in person. I would have fly somewhere to do that, so going once and concentrating would make sense. Is it possible to do something more concentrated than week-end seminars?
Many descriptions include the ease or difficulty of taking a case from a specific type. Sulphur (Aurum wanna be, fool's gold, good at grabbing the center of attention, adept at manufacturing symptoms to adjust to any situation. So of course, sulphur has an excess of symptoms in our repertory. Hard to even choose Sulphur when you think of the statistical odds. You need the kind of fundamental picture of Sulphur not just rubrics. ).
The Cupresaccea (pines) are insulted when they see that you, the homeopath, are not perceiving their depth. So, we get vague seemly evasive pictures of Thuja. She is not living up to her own standards so she is hiding.
There is that highly poisonou Taraxicum which does not fit so well with high spiritual development of other members. I love it that the high priest Plumbum is similar to the spiritual orientation of the Cupresaccea except that because he has to make all the mistakes to learn from life so he has a very naughty youth. These are images that I can remember.
Carboniums are escaping the basic pains of life by going into sleep. We get such a poor picture of them because they are so basic. Diamond is the opposite in the sense that he is not collapsing and is well organized. But the burnt out ones, we catch them in the act of escaping (coma).
Antimoniums are out there like sulphurs (they have a lot of sulphur in them). Ant-c is hard to see because he is busy presenting the romantic front that we so easily see in the literature. He is really very different at home.
These descriptions that go beyond proving symptoms and even beyond our normal clinical literature have been difficult for me to defend in the past. Recently I read Praxis where Maniagavoi describes his rationale. Makes good sense, but since I have not had incredible results from half-baked knowledge of his works (just reading), I was looking for confirmation from you.
I like it that Mangialavori is not automatically saying that every remedy that belongs to a family is obviously similar. The connection is often quite subtle. Could have opposite traits like the diamond and Carbo-v. But there are shared traits that are fundamental to any member of the family. Those are worth rememberings. I am waiting for him to say that xx remedy absolutely does not belong to its biological family. It seems nitric acid is not a very good acid. It is more in the nitricum family which I still don't understand. But there must be even bigger exceptions.
Can anyone give me a clue as to how nitricums are related? Arg-nit and Nitric acid don't seem very similar.
I often group symptoms as Herscu teaches. Seeing these many theme that cover both the metaphysical and physical aspects seems like a good opportunity to develop a better sense for what Will Taylor calls "homologous" themes. I have taken Will Taylor's course, so jumping between the somatic and the mental or instinctual seems natural and often well founded in reality. I love the many images and metaphors that Mangialavori uses.

Best,
Ellen

Ellen Madono

[Ellen Madono]

Irene,
The washer woman comes from one of Hahnemann's early Sepia cases. An exhausted laborer, a washer woman comes to him and he finds out that she did not come back because she was cured with Sepia. We remember the washer woman because her hands were always in cold water. Not good for Sepia. My guess is Dale has been able to find the Sepia for cases that are not so exhausted. These kinds of descriptions are jewels just because many of our patients are not totally exhausted when they come to us.
Best,
Ellen

Ellen Madono