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Sheri Nakken
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VITAMIN C - Sodium Ascorbate Powder OR Ascorbic Acid

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At 07:49 PM 5/30/2008, you wrote:
That's a whole other issue dealing with maintaining causes. It is about lack of proper calciums
Can eat foods that will drive the pH the other direction (but there is a problem with our foods not containing calcium due to soil depletion)
If you are extremely alkaline, it is evidence of a lack in a specific calcium. If you are extremely acidic it is a lack of another calcium.
And much more I can't go into here.

6.4 is idle for the body pH detected by testing the urine - below 6.4 is too acidic and above 6.4 is too alkaline for the body

Also too acidic is a sign of lack of vitamin C but difficult for body to assimilate if acidic. Onion soup is a good way to get Vitamin C then (or sodium ascorbate)

Here is my partner's webpage on all of that
http://www.wellwithin1.com/josephwalton.htm

You can test using pH paper
https://www.indigoinstruments.com/test_ ... .5-10.html

one source - get strips that test pH from 5 - 9
Again, the body chemistry is best at 6.4 for urine or saliva - dont test first AM urine
Test urine later in morning or early afternoon.

But to be safe for Vitamin C, just take sodium ascorbate
Available from Bronson labs - in original email

Sheri
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Sheri Nakken
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Re: VITAMIN C - Sodium Ascorbate Powder OR Ascorbic Acid

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At 09:54 PM 5/30/2008, you wrote:
Sodium ascorbate is the form used in all the research by Kenner and others.

And I have been educated by Hilary Butler and Archie Kaleokarinos in
NZ/Australia who have done tons of work with it.

I will forward your email to her and hopefully she will have time to answer you

My suggestions for pH come from working with a system called RBTI
developed by Dr. Carey Reams.
I have worked with this system for 2 years and my partner for longer
and his teacher for 30+years.
Some info here
http://www.wellwithin1.com/rbti.htm
But not a lot available on the net. Requires study with books and mentors.
It is Dr. Carey Reams experience working with Vitamin C is that it
will not be absorbed if you are acidic and will drive you more acidic.

I'll send some more from Hilary Butler if I can find it
Sheri


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Re: VITAMIN C - Sodium Ascorbate Powder OR Ascorbic Acid

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In further response to Irene.........

This is Hilary Butler's (vaccine dangers expert in NZ) response on
another list..................she has studied Vitamin C extensively
from most of the works out there and with Archie Kalokerinos and
others...............here are her thoughts

From Hillary........
Discussion on Vitamin C is crucially on topic, with regard to
everything. I can understand why you might think it is sort of off
topic, but then, if you have sat, read and understood Professor C.
Alan B. Clemetson's three volume text, on Vitamin C, you might not be
so ready to say that.

Vitamin C is intimately involved in just about every process that the
body uses. Unlike, say... selenium. Which is crucial, but has less
overall impact....

Vitamin C, far from being some optional extra in life and only
on-topic with vaccines, is the axis around which minerals and the
whole body functions as an interconnected web. There is,
nutritionally, and biochemically, ONE compound, without which we will
all die. Sailors of old experienced and knew this. We of this
so-called modern day do not.

That one compound is vitamin C.

It is the cornerstone of the solid foundations to that thing we call "health".

But in these days it takes upon a new significance.

We are now becoming, and breeding, a race of people whose gut flora
is so deranged, so dysfunctional, that endogenous endotoxemia from
Gram negative gut flora is a very very real danger. Further, they
are addicted to foods which make this worse, and their lives are so
departed, often, from what is right, that I truly wonder where the
"wisdom" has gone.

Endotoxins, or curlins, are processed in the liver. Vaccines switch
the liver off in some children for up to 28 days. These children
supposedly die of SIDS, when it is plain from the sparse medical
literature where people accidentally find the answer, that they die
from endogenous endotoxemia which could not be controlled by the
liver, and the body had insufficient vitamin C to provide vital back-up.

More and more today, parents have less and less understanding of what
constitutes "real" health, and the role that vitamin C plays in
it. And in this world, in which there are so many more toxins, and
bodily challenges, I believe our bodily need for vitamin C has
drastically increased, not decreased. And until such time as people
understand that, they will go nowhere, period. The vitamin C intake
and amount in a patients body, is the first thing any doctor, under
any circumstances, should be looking at. But they don't understand
where it fits in in the broader picture. And it isn't just an issue
that affects children, it is crucial to pregnancy, in fact, to
everything. And in something this crucial, biochemistry is
everything. How a drug is metabolised and used, is everything.

Sure, in a crisis, the body will utilise Calcium Ascorbate, no
problem. So if that is the only thing a person has on hand, in an
acute situation, I would say "go for it". But for long term
situation, or situations where it is really life and death I would
only use CA if I had nothing else. If there was a choice to hand, SA
is the Vitamin C of choice.

The two things every decent doctor should understand is endotoxemia,
and its effects in the body, and circumstances in which it is
triggered, and what vitamin C does in those circumstances. And how
it is involved in the sudden deaths of babies.... AND... exactly the
same situation happens in super-fit (ha!) athletes, who suddenly drop
dead during a marathon..., but the average medical professional has
NO IDEA what they are looking at. They mutter, oh, heart failure, or
this or that, or the other. But they are looking at the end point,
not the start point.

The start point is the gut. The middle point is that in this sort of
exercise (and the same applies to babies with fevers ) internal
overheating causes a massive increase in curlin production. But, the
liver is not on full-on go, because energy is required to keep the
feet pounding. (or in the baby's case, the liver is switched off by
vaccines, or the load is simply too much for it.) The curlin numbers
increases quickly to unmanageable levels, escapes through the liver,
builds up super fast in the blood stream, the cascade starts, and,
and then bang. Why?

Because the athlete, having suddenly had to use massive reserves of
vitamin C, has suddenly run out of Vitamin C which is the only thing
that can reverse endotoxic shock, and that brick wall shows as an
end-point of "heart failure".

But how many doctors can actually detail to me, the physiological
cascade that I am talking about?

And its significance, not just in the circumstances I mention, but
also to pre-eclampsia and toxemia? Which, by the way, are caused by
the identical situation, but with slightly different
variants....which tweak the metabolic problems...

The ONLY thing that will save these babies, and these athletes, and
pre-eclamptic or toxemic mothers, is an understanding by themselves
or their parents, of diet, the need for good gut flora, the fact the
proper functioning of the liver is critical, and that the current
attitudes on vitamin C are Neanderthal in both understanding and intent.

THAT if all those metabolic baselines fail, the last backstop is the
amount of Vitamin C in a person's body. And if you have to
administer it, how the body uses that best with the least possible
biochemical disturbance. That is the prescription of best choice.

Linus Pauling had a brilliant brain, but rather than see him as a
person deserving of two Nobel prizes which he was awarded, the
medical profession chose to see him as a fruitcake. This attitude
prevails, even amongst the "health" industry. Oh, we know better,
now, that's "then". Really?

Rather than continue to talk to lots of other people, and seek more
OPINIONS, I suggest that you find a copy of Clemetson's three volume
medical texts, talk to the doctors like Archie Kalokerinos, using
Vitamin C ~ the ones who have pioneered the work, like Cheraskin,
those continuing like Thomas Levy...and actually start forming your
OWN opinion, based on your own study, your own understanding and your
own knowledge.

Here are the ISBN numbers:
0-8493-4841-2 (V.1)
0-8493-4842-0 (V.2)
0-8493-4843-9 (v. 3).

Publisher, 1989 by CRC Press, Inc...

Until you do that, then all you are offering your patients is what
most doctors offer.

The parroted opinion of other people.

Most aware patients these days don't want that. They want real
knowledge, and to be treated by someone who says "I know, because I
have read the important information, talked to the people who matter,
and am conversant with the biochemistry and immunology behind the issues.

Sure, that means you will have to find Irwin Stones book as well,
called "the healing factor", just like I had to.

But IMO, for you as an OMD, you would be failing your patients if you
did not own, understand and implement the information in Clemetson's
texts. You may not be able to find them now, because since I started
"parotting" most of the copies around, have been snaffled up. But
you will find the author. As far as I know, this is where he lives.

C A Clemetson 5844 Fontainebleau Dr New Orleans, LA 70125-4328 (504)866-1525

He is now 80, but hey. He is a mine of information, and I think that
information should be "mined" from the "source", ~ from the brains
that really know, not from what other people think the source meant
to say, but didn't. And further, I think you should ask anyone in a
nutritional supplement company you go to, for an opinion, this
question. "Have you read Clemetson's texts?" If their answer is NO,
then I wouldn't go any further. There knowledge will be
inadequate. I doubt, though, if Archie has read this text. After
all, he is coming up Clemetson's age, and has spent his whole working
life using vitamin C. But he KNEW Irwin Stone, and Klenner, so what
more could he have had at that time? And most of the others who did
the work before Clemetson's texts, all worked together, so they knew
how and why.

You may feel that information has now "advanced", and "new"
discoveries invalidate the old.

I suppose technically that may have some validity, say, when it comes
to computers.

But in practicality, I couldn't give a toss what nutritional
companies say, because I know what works with me, and what does not
work with me. And I know that what has worked clinically for years
now, is not suddenly invalidated, because someone wants to, as they
put it, "move with the times".

My body hasn't. It still the same old, with one head, two arms, and
two legs. (though some would argue that at times, I am a ten-headed
monster) And my biochemistry hasn't altered that much either. For
me, and countless others, we wouldn't touch Calcium Ascorbate with a
barge pole, and for good reason, because for us, it is a long term poison.

It's up to you to find out the information, and then make that
information available so that your patients can make an informed choice.

And if they chose to use Calcium Ascorbate, and get less than
desirable results, then at least they and YOU, will know WHY that
might be the case for them.

Hilary.


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Re: VITAMIN C - Sodium Ascorbate Powder OR Ascorbic Acid

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http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/v ... Cform.html
Ascorbyl palmitate

Ascorbyl palmitate is a fat-soluble antioxidant used to increase the shelf life of vegetable oils and potato chips (8) . It is an amphipathic molecule, meaning one end is water-soluble and the other end is fat-soluble. This dual solubility allows it to be incorporated into cell membranes. When incorporated into the cell membranes of human red blood cells, ascorbyl palmitate has been found to protect them from oxidative damage and to protect alpha-tocopherol (a fat-soluble antioxidant) from oxidation by free radicals (9) . However, the protective effects of ascorbyl palmitate on cell membranes have only been demonstrated in the test tube. Taking ascorbyl palmitate orally probably doesn't result in any significant incorporation into cell membranes because most of it appears to be hydrolyzed (broken apart into palmitate and ascorbic acid) in the human digestive tract before it is absorbed. The ascorbic acid released by the hydrolysis of ascorbyl palmitate appears to be as bioavailable as ascorbic acid alone (10) . The presence of ascorbyl palmitate in oral supplements contributes to the ascorbic acid content of the supplement and probably helps protect fat-soluble antioxidants in the supplement. The role of vitamin C in promoting collagen synthesis and its antioxidant properties have generated interest in its use on the skin. Ascorbyl palmitate is frequently used in topical preparations because it is more stable than some aqueous (water-soluble) forms of vitamin C (11) . Ascorbyl palmitate is also marketed as, "vitamin C ester," which should not be confused with Ester-C® (see above).


Sheri Nakken
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Re: VITAMIN C - Sodium Ascorbate Powder OR Ascorbic Acid

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At 06:46 PM 5/31/2008, you wrote:
Yes, Irene, just a mistype
There is NOT a risk of sodium as it is not combined with CL.
Again, it is not Na combined with Cl

See other info I sent
Sheri


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I'm going with Klenner, Levy, Cathcart, Kalokerinos - the experts who use/used vitamin C and have researched extensively with sodium ascorbate.

And I have never heard of potassium being added to IV sodium ascorbate
http://www.orthomed.com/civprep.htm
Sheri

At 07:28 PM 5/31/2008, you wrote:


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Re: VITAMIN C - Sodium Ascorbate Powder OR Ascorbic Acid

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Anthony William (Medical Medium) recommends calcium ascorbate as a buffered form of Vit C.

However in the case of treating covid, Janice Loh is very specific about using ascorbic acid, except if in hospital where it can be given by IV together with sodium ascorbate. She explains why in interviews and articles


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